hello from a psychic « Thread Started on Mar 13, 2012, 12:19am »
hi all
I'm a developing psychic and I've been sitting in circle for about 7 years. I was a hardened skeptic like you guys but I've had some staggering experiences over the years and I changed my mind. I do occasionally give brief readings but I've never charged and my interest is mainly from a scientific/tecnical point of view (I'm an engineer by trade). Like you, I agree that some people get addicted to psychic and tarot lines and sometimes they are given false hope. I don't condone this.
I could talk about the "phenomena" for hours, but I'll give you one example of what I believe is psychic ability. This comes so naturally to me now that I sincerely believe that anyone reading this can try it. I went on a date about six months ago and I happened to mention that I am interested in psychic phenomena to the woman I met. She was skeptical (a good thing in my view) and asked me to "prove it". It was a busy pub and I'd only just met this woman. Other than her first name, I didn't really know her from Adam. I told her it is easier if she asked me a question and so she did. She said her Brother was in trouble with the law and asked if he would be sent to prison. I had no idea whether I'd come up with anything - I'd never tried like that in a noisy pub before. And I'd never been put on the spot like that either.
Before she finished her question, I saw in my mind's eye a guy in prison stripes and shackles. So I told her yes, in my view he was going down (I learnt a few weeks later he had indeed been sent down). She then asked what the case was about. I sat there and said "well ok, I'll give it a go". I had absolutely no idea it would work, but I thought I'd give it a go anyway.
All I was was a teddy bear in my mind's eye. It was sitting on a chair outside the court room. At the same time I had a feeling of dread and shame that was overwhelming. It was awful, dreadful. I said "Well, I'm not sure how to say this but I see a teddy bear. What on earth does it mean?". Her face went pale she stood up and said "how dare you! You've researched me!". It was quite embarrassing and I was gobsmacked. I had no idea what to say other than I didn't even know her surname. She eventually calmed down and sat down and I was able to determine the nature of the case (I won't go into it, it's unpleasant) but the teddy bear was central to it.
I write this as a quick off the cuff report of how it works - for me, anyway. I have no doubt I'll be accused of "cold reading", "guessing", "hallucinating" or simply making this up, but I thought I'd share it with you anyway, in good faith.
Re: hello from a psychic « Reply #1 on Mar 13, 2012, 1:10am »
Hi and welcome You say you were a hardened skeptic so I'm sure you realise we can only view this as anecdotal evidence and therefore hardly proof of your psychic abilities.
Re: hello from a psychic « Reply #2 on Mar 13, 2012, 2:21am »
hi there, many thanks
I don't for a moment expect you to accept my account as proof of anything. I imagine most of you think I am lying or insane. Also for my experience to be scientific proof it would have to be repeated many times under controlled conditions. In the end, you either believe me or you don't. If you don't then fair enough. I respect that. I probably wouldn't have a few years ago.
What I would say is try it yourself. For example, if you get a free moment, relax and say mentally "tell me about Fred" (where for example "fred" is a mate of yours). Be aware of fleeting thoughts, feelings and images that enter your mind. I tend to see a series of "stock" images, such as a suitcase (which denotes they're going on holiday or have just been). Sometimes, although rarely, I "hear" words or phrases such as (for example) "I have a bad back". I've even had names such as "Mata Hari" and "Salome" to describe women I've thought about dating (and had to research these on the internet). I also occasionally get a song that I haven't heard for 30 years! Don't discount anything, however insane it seems. Note these things down then call Fred. Tell him you're checking out a crackpot psychic on a chat forum and will he humour you for a moment to discuss what you noted. You might look a total tit (I have on several occasions) but you might not. Give it a go. I hope you're pleasantly surprised
I'm a developing psychic and I've been sitting in circle for about 7 years. I was a hardened skeptic like you guys but I've had some staggering experiences over the years and I changed my mind.
We are not hardened skeptics. Some of us are Skeptics, some of us are believers, some of us are on the fence.
No need to add extra words before skeptic. Either you are skeptical or you are not.
I am skeptical due to the lack of evidence of supernatural claims.
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I do occasionally give brief readings but I've never charged and my interest is mainly from a scientific/tecnical point of view (I'm an engineer by trade). Like you, I agree that some people get addicted to psychic and tarot lines and sometimes they are given false hope. I don't condone this.
Great, time to put up or shut up. Give me a reading. If you are truly what you claim, and you were really a "hardened skeptic" then you will have no problem at all giving me a reading.
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I write this as a quick off the cuff report of how it works - for me, anyway. I have no doubt I'll be accused of "cold reading", "guessing", "hallucinating" or simply making this up, but I thought I'd share it with you anyway, in good faith.
Your anecdote makes fun reading. But like you already know, it is worthless evidentially, and meaningless in the grand scheme of things.
So best way would be for you to give me a reading. I have put plenty of red herrings about me on the net over the last 10 years, so even though I am well know, to try and research me would only end up with you exposing yourself as a fraud. SO I am the perfect candidate to be read.
I like you have studied mediumship, I have stood on stage and given readings, and I can claim a genuine psychic lineage to Gordon Higginson.
There is no skeptic in the UK that is my equal when it comes to knowledge about psychics and mediumship.
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Re: hello from a psychic « Reply #5 on Mar 13, 2012, 11:46am »
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I imagine most of you think I am lying or insane.
Until we get to know you better, you must understand we get a lot of crackpots come on here, a lot of people who try to "beat" me, and the forum. We get skeptics who think they are funny and pretend to be psychics and so on.
I have analysed over 2000 readings over the years, I have personally received over 200 readings. I can explain every single one!
I have never failed.
I have exposed more psychics than anyone else in the UK through the BadPsychics site.
SO like i said until we get to know you, of course our suspicions will be sky high, but there is an easy way for you to change that.
Jon ps. Is your middle name Simon?
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Re: hello from a psychic « Reply #7 on Mar 13, 2012, 3:26pm »
Cheers Barb, thank you. Nice welcome
Jon, I do not want to "beat" you or the forum. If you don't mind my saying, your stance seems a tad paranoid. I have re-read my posts and they seem friendly and non-combative. I do not believe I issued a challenge to you or to anyone. Unless you somehow interpreted my benign invitation to try the psychic exercise on "Fred" as some sort of affront to you personally?
I just thought I'd share my experiences. You can take them or leave them and you have clearly decided to leave them, which is of course up to you. I have a lot more I can share with the forum but if you'd rather not, I won't.
I won't waste our time attempting to persuade you otherwise via a reading. Irrespective of what I come up with I do not believe that you will accept it. So why bother? If as a result you wish to censor me then so be it. If you boot me, I will not rejoin under a different name.
Please do not see me as some of threat to you personally or to your forum. I am merely sharing my experiences in good faith which you seem to want to discredit anyway. If this is too much for you or for your forum readers then feel free to delete my posts and boot me off.
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Re: hello from a psychic « Reply #8 on Mar 13, 2012, 3:37pm »
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Jon, I do not want to "beat" you or the forum.
Thats good to hear.
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If you don't mind my saying, your stance seems a tad paranoid.
Yes I am incredibly paranoid.
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I just thought I'd share my experiences. You can take them or leave them and you have clearly decided to leave them, which is of course up to you. I have a lot more I can share with the forum but if you'd rather not, I won't.
I am happy for you to share your experiences, but surely it is not too much to ask you to start by giving me a reading, you see from your reading it will be very easy to attain whether you are an eyes open medium or an eyes closed one, or even perhaps the worlds first real one.
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I won't waste our time attempting to persuade you otherwise via a reading. Irrespective of what I come up with I do not believe that you will accept it. So why bother?
Why so cynical? I am a skeptic, I am incredibly honest. I have no reason to lie or make out you have said something wrong when it is right.
My lifes ambition as the owner of BadPsychics was to find a real psychic.
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If as a result you wish to censor me then so be it. If you boot me, I will not rejoin under a different name.
Now who is acting paranoid. I have not censored you, and I will not censor you. And nope I havent booted anyone off this forum (with the exception of spammers) for years and years, in fact I cant remember the last person I deleted, and even then it would have been for abusive posts.
So dont worry you can speak freely here.
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Please do not see me as some of threat to you personally or to your forum.
Why would I see you as a threat? All I asked was for you to give me a reading to prove your claims, thats all, No need to get so defensive.
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I am merely sharing my experiences in good faith which you seem to want to discredit anyway. If this is too much for you or for your forum readers then feel free to delete my posts and boot me off.
Best wishes, Dude
Please lets not play the martyr, you are more than welcome here. I am sorry if my tone appeared to be dismissive or anything else.
You have to understand that you are not the first psychic who has come on here, made miraculous claims, and when challenged, thrown their toys out of the pram, deleted themselves from here, and then gone elsewhere moaning about how the nasty people from BadPsychics were all horrible and so on.
All I am saying is, you come here. you make a claim. I ask you to prove that claim.
Simple.
The act of telling stories of great readings and so on, is entertaining, but it achieves very little.
I could claim to be a psychic and tell all manner of amazing stories of how I amazed a skeptic with my abilities, and so on, but they mean nothing if I am not prepared to back it up.
I am prepared to back up everything I say with regards to being a skeptic.
Are you prepared to back up what you claim being a psychic?
If not, feel free to run away, call me names on other forums and so on. But deep down you will have missed a great chance.
Now if you do not feel you are capable of proving your claims, then thats also fine, you are more than welcome as a member here to give your opinion on various topics.
Re: hello from a psychic « Reply #9 on Mar 13, 2012, 7:07pm »
Hi Jon
I did get a bit for you but it's of a personal nature and I'm not prepared to discuss it in open forum. I hardly see any point in sending it to you privately since you will just dismiss it out of hand. I have no desire to bash my head against a brick wall. I've already explained my reasons for declining your offer to provide you with "proof", which of course you don't define. You're welcome to conclude from that what you like and I'm sure you will milk it to the hilt. To spare your readers boredom, please don't ask me again.
Going back to the psychic exercise, I invited forum readers to seek "proof" for themselves. ie not to take my "stories" on face value. If just one reader tries the method and finds it works, then my posts here will have been worth it. I hope some people suspend their cynicism for just one moment and give it a try sometime. It's great fun when it works
I did get a bit for you but it's of a personal nature and I'm not prepared to discuss it in open forum.
I have no problem with you saying it out in the open. There are people on here on know me, so better it is open that way I have no reason other than to be honest.
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I hardly see any point in sending it to you privately since you will just dismiss it out of hand.
You seem to have built up a pre-conceived idea about me. Have you been asking about me to other woo types?
Don't listen to others, let experience drive you, not prejudice.
So give me a chance to prove myself, as I hope you will prove yourself.
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I have no desire to bash my head against a brick wall.
You don't trust yourself very much do you? Your insecurities are leaping out at me, I don't need to be psychic to see that. Put them aside, relax, stop worrying. I am not going to expose you, I closed down the main site a few years ago now, and other than the odd psychic here or there that we get a complaint from a victim, I dont actively expose anyone.
The worst that can happen is I say "sorry that reading is not accurate" yep thats the absolute worse that can happen.
But the best, well that could change my life, I would no longer feel pain when I think of those I have lost. I would no longer fear death as I do now as an atheist.
So I am asking nicely, please at least try and help me.
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I've already explained my reasons for declining your offer to provide you with "proof", which of course you don't define.
All I asked was for a reading. You claim to be a medium/psychic, thats what you do.
Why such fear to give me a reading, you already I am a skeptic. And lets be fair, you convince me, you are the real deal, that will be the biggest name you will ever convince.
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You're welcome to conclude from that what you like and I'm sure you will milk it to the hilt.
I have no interest in milking anything. My pre-conceived impression of anyone who comes on here claiming to be a psychic is that they will refuse to offer any proof whatsoever of their claims, they will then moan about how nasty and horrible I am, and then they will run away and tell the world I am the most evil horrible nasty man they ever came across.
I am used to it.
As far as I am concerned, you are no more than a name on a forum. So far everything I predicted you would say and do, you have done, that probably makes me a psychic right?
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To spare your readers boredom, please don't ask me again.
Ok, I will ask you nicely then, do not repeat that you are psychic on this forum, you are more than welcome here, to post, comment and give opinions, but do not claim you have magical powers, the promotion of mediumship on this forum is not allowed, and I wouldn't want members here to contact you for readings. So if thats your purpose then dont waste your time.
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Going back to the psychic exercise, I invited forum readers to seek "proof" for themselves. ie not to take my "stories" on face value. If just one reader tries the method and finds it works, then my posts here will have been worth it. I hope some people suspend their cynicism for just one moment and give it a try sometime. It's great fun when it works
We are NOT cynics here, you are the one coming across as incredibly cynical.
Also if you think for one moment we are noob armchair skeptics who have never tried such things you are sorely wrong.
We are the very pinnacle of the skeptical community. We are the most experienced, most knowledgeable skeptics on the net.
Like i already mentioned I alone have tried every type of mediumship for myself, first hand. I have witnessed EVERY type of mediumship for myself first hand.
I have contacts with the spiritualist community that would shock and surprise you.
I just think it is a shame you are so embarrassed, and so insecure about what you claim.
Re: hello from a psychic « Reply #11 on Mar 13, 2012, 11:49pm »
Hi again I think you misunderstand our views. We would love to find people with the ability to communicate with our loved ones after death and to progress in that we have to root out the fakes and con artists and among those proclaiming this gift I think there are those who truly believe they are communicating but once you delve under the surface, taking out all the tricks, not only the cold reading etc but the tricks our brains can play there really isn't anything to suggest this is a truth.
A lot of forum members past & present have at one time believed in psychic abilities, I did, but having looked at other explanations and realising for myself how we can be duped into believing I still hope to find it to be true but it really isn't likely.
Re: hello from a psychic « Reply #12 on Mar 14, 2012, 1:23am »
Hi Amaris
I'm a "developing psychic", not a medium. A medium communicates with the departed, a psychic does not. Although most mediums are psychic, the reverse is uncommon. In my view everyone has psychic ability; mediumship tends to be something one is born with.
I have no doubt there are those that use "tricks", "cold reading" and "duping" techniques etc to read people. I know this because I have met these people. Some are well meaning, some are useless. Some are just plain vile! To me, the useless ones are transparent because they tend to throw a series of obvious guesses at you and give vague, meaningless, generalised information. The better ones, some of which I count as friends, provide a series of accurate facts that cannot in any practical sense (ie without being obvious) be "guessed" or "cold read". For example your Great Grandfather Edgar had a white, one-eyed donkey named Archie-straw, a tortoise named spot that loved avacado, he lived in the British Virgin Islands, had three nipples, spoke swahili and wore a thong. I joke of course, but I have received explicitly factual readings like these from people I have just met. These cannot in any practical sense be "guessed" or "cold read". In addition, there is no series of banal and transparent guesses. Researched perhaps, by interviewing family, but in my experience this simply has not taken place (I check, believe me).
I'm sorry to hear that a lot of forum members once believed in psychic abilities but then realised they were duped. What I would say to these people is try it yourself. Why take anyone's word for it? Try the exercise I detailed above and see how you get on. It's fun, free, quick, easy and it can produce remarkable results. What have you got to lose?
Best Dude
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Re: hello from a psychic « Reply #13 on Mar 14, 2012, 2:22am »
Jon,
I have no interest in offering readings to your forum members. And I don't care if you "expose" me on your site. Feel free to put me on your "bad list" or add me to your blog...above Colin Fry of course lol. No-one will have ever heard of me, but put me there anyway. It's hilarious, petty and meaningless. So go ahead. Feel the power Jon
One thing that strikes me about your posts is that you have a colossal ego and "Alan Partridge" sense of self-importance. For example:
We are the very pinnacle of the skeptical community. We are the most experienced, most knowledgeable skeptics on the net.
Cringe time. Yer, and "Wings" are only the band the Beatles could have been. Do you ever re-read your posts Jon? Do you contemplate the "ego" aspect? It reminds me of an elephant in the room or the Emporer's clothes. Groan.
Against my better judgement I will give you something I "saw" psychically about you. It was a huge black domino about to fall. I got "pride before a fall".
Best Dude
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I have no interest in offering readings to your forum members. And I don't care if you "expose" me on your site
Oh FFS, I said I had NO INTEREST IN EXPOSING YOU!!
And I closed down my site 2 years ago!!
You really aren't that important that I would even consider re-opening it just to expose you!
Hell if Sally morgan getting info through a hidden earpiece didn't get me to re-open a long dead site, a stranger on a forum aint gonna do it.
Now stop playing the victim, it is pathetic
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Feel free to put me on your "bad list" or add me to your blog...above Colin Fry of course lol. No-one will have ever heard of me, but put me there anyway. It's hilarious, petty and meaningless. So go ahead. Feel the power Jon
See the above reply! You can goad me all you like, but I really dont care
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One thing that strikes me about your posts is that you have a colossal ego and "Alan Partridge" sense of self-importance. For example:
You have no idea! My ego is the biggest in the world!
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We are the very pinnacle of the skeptical community. We are the most experienced, most knowledgeable skeptics on the net.
For a psychic you have a real lack of empathy, and understanding when someone is having a laugh.
Although its all true
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Cringe time. Yer, and "Wings" are only the band the Beatles could have been. Do you ever re-read your posts Jon? Do you contemplate the "ego" aspect? It reminds me of an elephant in the room or the Emporer's clothes. Groan.
Again lack of psychic ability.
Ask ANYONE on this forum, if I genuinely think any of the things I said are true?
Get to know me before you judge me. That is one of your greatest failings in life I suspect.
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Against my better judgement I will give you something I "saw" psychically about you. It was a huge black domino about to fall. I got "pride before a fall".
About 2 years too late I am afraid. I am now no more than a distant memory to most.
If you had said that just over 2 years ago, you would have blown my mind. But now, well its like me predicting 2 planes are going to crash into the WTC.
But nice try. You are slightly guilty here of reading into a persona I have projected. Not surprising to me of course, but maybe you will find that fact interesting when looking at your own claims.
Oh and you never answered me before, is your middle name Simon?
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