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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Jun 10, 2009 7:39:26 GMT
If it was Saturday 6th June the incident took place he was at Waterstones between 1 and 2pm 14-16 Bold Street Liverpool. His website says 12-1pm Now if only Morgana would tell us where they read that we could start to investigate
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Jun 10, 2009 7:44:03 GMT
Ok I know who was there and what happened, and i KNOW that no skeptics "attacked" Joe at all. This is utter bulls*it.
An article will be written about this soon.
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Post by The Legendary Barb on Jun 10, 2009 9:07:06 GMT
As far as I know there was no mention of this incident in the local Echo on either Monday/Tuesday, I could be wrong but I did not read anything about it. Surprising really, for one who claims to be so well known through the media, and in his birth place ,you would have thought that this story would have been milked for all it was worth. Especially against skeptics who must surely be the bane of his life.
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Post by marshmss on Jun 10, 2009 15:41:57 GMT
Hey - I can shed a little light on the subject. I was the sceptic mob, well I and a friend were. The attack was a 30 minute conversation we had with Joe, where we said hello, introduced ourselves, outlined a few of our questions, shook hands and left. The security guard came to stand with us, Joe's partner/manager told him everything was fine and that we were just having a conversation. In the end, Joe and I shook hands and he even said 'Good luck', I wished him all the best.
Waterstones have been contacted - they have said their staff have not been quoted as witnessing anything. Claudine (Joe's Manager) has been contacted so she can help clear up the confusion around this. Also, we're obtaining the footage from the CCTV cameras that show the calm, polite, 2 on 2 chat we had.
As I stressed to Joe and Claudine at the time and they agreed - my intention isn't to publicly comment on Joe as a person or make any kind of attack on him at a personal level, the important thing is to distinguish between professional criticism and personal attack. I am interested purely in the former, analysing the work not the man, which is why I was happy to have a chat with him and why I'm more than happy to clear up the confusion here.
Glad to be able to help clear all this up - if there's still any confusion, people are welcome to email me directly.
Cheers Marsh
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Post by Amaris on Jun 11, 2009 1:01:24 GMT
Thanks for that Marsh. Just goes to show how the truth can be distorted and become completely different to the actual events.
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Post by fluffet on Jun 12, 2009 20:51:48 GMT
Well now we know the truth of the matter its clear this was nothing more than a discussion and far from the "attack" or "Mobbing" claimed, it did sound highly unlikely especially when there was no reporting of it whatsover that i could find and i couldnt imagine any skeptic would "attack" Powers in the way it was portrayed. That and often these kind of claims have a habit of being wildly exaggerated and worded to suit the ends of the people involved. Do we know where the initial claims originated from ? Was it Powers camp or just gossip from elsewhere ?
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Post by marshmss on Jun 14, 2009 13:40:16 GMT
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Post by fluffet on Jun 14, 2009 16:22:14 GMT
Well that report of your meeting with Mr Power is a REAL eye opener Marsh thats for sure !
Your restraint and considered answer to Powers above comment says so much more about you and Skeptics in generals approach than the pathetic mindless comparisons in Powers comment.
One wonders how he feels confident in claiming skeptics fester and seeth at 3am on their computers unless he himself is sitting there festering too watching their every post and move in the wee small hours ? Perhaps the fact that many Skeptics have a real job unlike him that takes up most of their daylight posting time requiring them to sometimes burn the midnight oil should they wish to read or post is lost on him.
As for his above ignorant and sadly predictable comment it not only shows a level of paranoia and self importance assuming ANYONE would sit awake at 3am plotting his downfall but also an incredible level of stupiditiy to compare the mind or habits of a paedophile with that of a Skeptic . One can only assume from his comments that he associates the intention to ask a question by a skeptic as somehow comparable to the intention of sexual abuse from a predator which in itself is indicative of someone in need of considerable education and councilling . If he attributes the need to ask rational questions alongside the need to sexually abuse children then im afraid he may be to far gone for anyone to help him.
It would seem Mr Power has an obsession with the hour of 3am and for that matter paedophiles , not to mention a hugely inaccurate perception of what constitutes one , sitting at a computer at 3am seems to be grounds in his opinion to determine a persons whole persona and intention. Its perfectly clear from his use of a term that instantly emotes negative feeling and disdain and can inflame a situation instantly that he feels threatened by anyone of a questioning nature and used this term and accusation in his comments purely in the hope it would illicit anger or provoke a reaction , which it of course failed to do due to the fact he was talking to someone with far greater professionalism and rationality than he is capable of .
If anyone was in any doubt to the mindset and level of debating skills of the man this next comment really should put it to rest
He could indeed set up a website making this very claim ....freedom of speech an all that ...however i would wager that it would only be frequented by idiots as similarly stunted and marred in their intelligence and verbal skills as he appears to be in making this comment and would have little in the way of comparison to a website that questions and debates the validity of claims such as Mr Powers makes. His use once again of inflammatory language and issues that invoke high emotion only once again goes to show his constant need to compare things or people he feels unable to challenge or is threatened by with things he in his own mind would illicit the same response or feelings of hatred from others . Sad that he should think in this day and age that mentioning gay people in the same conversation would somehow be considered inflammatory or shocking enough to illicit the response he so obviously desired , he quite obviously is a complete idiot if he thinks being graphic in his depiction would have any effect on an intelligent person other than to reinforce the idea that he himself is incredibly childish and incapable of a rational response to a fair question.
To be honest after hearing these comments i find it hard to even bother commenting on the rest of his idiotic claims further on in the artcile , the level of the man has been firmly set in his use of the previous arguments ....the rest of the comments merely go on to reinforce that level of ignorance.
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Post by Amaris on Jun 14, 2009 18:12:43 GMT
How you kept your cool Marsh I'll never know! What a nasty ignorant man Joe Power has shown himself to be!
Shame you didn't record it.
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Post by The Legendary Barb on Jun 14, 2009 22:40:15 GMT
Have just posted on the other thread, hope its the right one. Can not think what this excuse for a man was thinking to utter those dreadful words, especially in front of his wife and child.[first post mentioned a child]. MY mind boggles as to what goes on in HIS mind.
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