This got me a little obsessed...so I listened some more of it. I think the easiest way to pull this off is having plants/stooges (as Debbie said from the beginning) call in who agree with (almost) everything the "medium" says. Would be interesting to compare the voices of the callers with some kind of software...
No, I disagree, stooges are too much of a risk, the more people in on the gig, the more chance something gets exposed. The simplest explanation is the producer hands notes after the pre interview, to the psychic.
No stooges needed, and only 3 people need to be in on the scam, radio host, producer and psychic.
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Yes, You're right Jon...I think the host Laura is honest & believes it...so it's the producer & the "medium" !!! Ok, case closed..? (I would love to know the truth...) Don't You feel tempted to listen a little, Jon ? By the way : Happy New Year...keep up the good work !
I've listened to a couple of his shows on Itunes and he seems to be cold reading most of the callers. He gets most things wrong then the callers make everything fit and tell him how amazing he is. Then there's a couple of callers where he's a lot more accurate giving names, dates and jobs, seems very suspicious and makes me think he's doing a Doris Stokes and getting his regular clients to call in.
Some of the A & B shows are on YOUTUBE as well...so You can also see (at least to a degree) what is going on in the studio during those live readings. To me it rather seems that with most of the callers it CAN't be only cold reading, because for MOST of the callers he gets those specific hits (directly "knowing" names/jobs/locations etc.)...I just can't figure out the METHOD...how EXACTLY ist it done ? Kind of like: how is this magic/mentalism trick done ? (I really don't understand why Jon keeps reviewing those terribly boring, very old MOST HAUNTED episodes instead of helping to debunk this quite interesting case of most likely hot reading !)
Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Jan 7, 2018 10:55:00 GMT
Ok, find me a video, post it here, and I will have a look. I just never like the idea of jumping to hot reading conclusions, it is what lazy skeptics do, it may be the case here. But if he is getting a lot of call ins, it would mean having a lot of stooges ring in, and that is just not a sensible way of doing things.
As for why I keep reviewing these old boring MH episodes, because they get visitors to the site, a lot more visitors than the same old debunking of mediumship readings which tend to be the same every time. So I do the boring MH reviews because it gets people to the site, and the hope is once they are on the site they will click on the bad psychics list and perhaps read some of the articles on psychics, and learn the tricks.
Also keep in mind that to debunk a psychic takes a LOT of work, even if it is just a simple reading, it needs transcribing, then it needs analysing, which can take hours. And guess what, I do it for free, no money in my pocket. To do a MH review takes at most an hour and a half.
A full investigation into a medium can take weeks! Again all for no money, no reward. I am pretty much the ONLY person in the UK doing this regularly. No one else can be arsed because of the no reward, and time consuming nature of it.
If you would like to help out and give me some time, I would appreciate it, of course you wont get paid, and may take you hours and hours, but then perhaps you will appreciate the hard work I have done on this site for 15 years!
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Jan 7, 2018 10:57:53 GMT
ps. Every single article I publish exposing a medium, literally opens me up to abuse, legal threats, doxing, death threats. So I apologise if sometimes I do not jump at the chance to spend hours of my time to expose a medium I have never heard of, has a tiny following and that could open me up to all manner of abuse, and all for no reward.
But for Thomas John if you show me some videos I will do all of this just for you. Seriously, find me a convincing video you cant explain, and I will have a look. For all I know he is the worlds first real medium.
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Sorry, Jon, feel guilty now...I did not at all want to offend You...I really do see and appreciate the huge lot of work that You did in all those years for the skeptical cause ! I just wanted to irritate or tempt You a little bit, so You have a look at this with all Your expertise: Example of one of the shows : (Start at min. 15:00 and just listen...(You can turn on automatic subtitles for a "transkript"...makes a lot of errors though...)
Sorry, Jon, feel guilty now...I did not at all want to offend You...I really do see and appreciate the huge lot of work that You did in all those years for the skeptical cause !
Dont feel guilty. But do understand that I get a lot of people who just tell me to expose someone, but offer no help. I am the ONLY person in the UK doing this consistently.
Me alone. All those skeptics out there who do the odd exposure here and there, they soon move on when they are not getting the fake they want. So yeah I get annoyed when I get called out on stuff, when I am literally the only person doing it.
And no you don't offend me, you disappoint me.
I will have a quick look at the video and let you know my thoughts
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Ok first thing he does is ASK A QUESTION. A real medium does not need to ask a question. So he asks "Anybody go to Canada?, Something's coming through about Canada, does your mothers side come from Canada?"
Now this is a Manhattan radio show, Manhattan is not that far from Canada, 5 hour drive if that. (A lot to us UK people, but to Yanks that is nothing) So for him to ask this is not a huge leap at all. And he is vague enough that this is a rather safe guess. Again he is asking questions, not making statements. A question by its very nature cannot be psychic.
She confirms his question which allows him to go further.
Next he says "I dont know if you knew her but this is your moms, mom, did you know her?"
So he is a psychic, he is supposedly talking to this womans grandmother, and he doesn't know if she knew her or not, So he ASKS HER THE QUESTION!
What kind of s*itty psychic is this?
He then ASKS ANOTHER QUESTION "Did she die of stomach cancer? because she is showing me blah blah blah etc"
No, he gets this wrong, The woman then tells him that her grandfather had stomach cancer.
Again he claims to be psychic, he is supposedly talking to this womans grandmother, yet all he has done is ask questions, and the one specific thing that could have shown he really was in contact with her grandmother, he got 100% wrong, and the woman on the phone then had to find someone in her family that matched the illness.
He quickly skips past that and doesn't acknoledge at all he was wrong.
He then comes up with the name "Patrick" Now did you know that New York State has the most concentrated Irish population in the US 12.9 percent of its residents claim Irish ancestry. And Patrick is an Irish name, it is a bit like asking someone from Birmingham England if they know a Mohammed.
So he says "there is a patrick I am getting, WHO IS THAT" Again he is ASKING the woman, SHE TELLS HIM who it is. He has simply picked out an incredibly popular name, bordering on racism him, and SHE TELLS HIM who it is.
Her husbands father is Patrick, so not even a blood relative to her.
He then ASKS HER, "Is he gone?" Again the psychic does NOT Know that Patrick is dead, until she tells him. He has to ASK HER if he is gone. She confirms.
Look, I cant keep going through this. He is asking questions, this is cold reading, no hot reading here.
Here is how his reading works.
Ask a question. Woman answers, gives him information Repeats information back to her. Ask a question Woman answers, gives him information Repeats information back to her.
And so on.
Go through the reading yourself, and simply count how many questions he asks. A real medium would never have to ask a question, the ghostie would tell them. Anything he asks which sounds specific, a name, a job etc, is really vague if you actually look at it.
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Post by The Legendary Barb on Jan 9, 2018 18:17:08 GMT
Hi JNT, and welcome to the site. I think I can answer your question, [ If Jon does not mind ] Jon does not know any real Mediums, there are none, it is all one big BIG con, .
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Hi JNT, and welcome to the site. I think I can answer your question, [ If Jon does not mind ] Jon does not know any real Mediums, there are none, it is all one big BIG con, .
HOW DARE YOU SPEAK FOR ME! The very cheek of it. I have a completely original and unique opinion and i will reply to this person using my own mind!
17 hours ago The Legendary Barb said: Hi JNT, and welcome to the site. I think I can answer your question, [ If Jon does not mind ] Jon does not know any real Mediums, there are none, it is all one big BIG con.
Hi Barb Thank you for the nice welcome
What do you know about Leslie Flint?
I have dealt with Physical Mediums in the past and I have had evidential evidence for myself!!
I know you were asking Barb, I hope you dont mind me answering. I know everything about Leslie Flint. He was a fraud who did bad impressions in the dark and conned a lot of people. Go listen to his hilarious Gandhi impressions. Keep in mind back in his day there wasn't as easy access to recordings and so on. So if you just did a dodgy Indian accent, people would think that is how people speak.
I have dealt with Physical Mediums in the past and I have had evidential evidence for myself!!
I would be very surprised if what you call "evidential evidence" is the same as what I would called evidential evidence. In fact I would be prepared to state with utmost confidence, that you were conned. And I can prove it if you have a recording of ANY reading you have ever had that you are convinced is real. As for the physical mediumship, obviously they would never allow you or anyone to record it, because in history in 100% of the times whereby filming has either been allowed, or taken place secretly, it has shown fraud every single time, no exceptions.
So what was happening to me?
Well depends on what you claim happened. Most likely you were fooled by really bad magic tricks performed in the dark, after being psychologically primed to believe.
I have gone through written accounts of physical mediumship seances and I have explained how they would perform all their tricks.
I am curious, which medium did you take part with?
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I have 620 recordings of Leslie Flint. You mention one recording and all your knowledge of Physical Mediumship of him is on one communiator? I have sat with a few Physical Medium in the UK. I think the best UK one is Bill Meadows. My evidential evidence would be no good for you because it would ony be me that would know the dates, the year, the name, place of work, relations. Psychics are not mediums, but you just seem to investigate psychics, if you ever sat with a real Physical Medium and witnessed spirit communication you would have a different opinion. I love the way you bring those lot out, but try and learn there is vast difference in mediumship. Lots of people go around saying they great plumbers, builders, and any other trade you want to mention. But they are not all tard with the same brush. To pick one name out of thousands of hours of recordings, disgusting. I thought sceptics minds were open for investigations, I have no idea were you are investigating, but if you can only come up with that one name, that says a lot. I love to look at sceptic sites, you can learn so much, so much information. I always loved it when I listened to Michael Shermer tell a audiance of students what he was giving his intro of what he does. Talking about the Pyramids. Come on guys, it's just a bunch of rocks............lol I had to laugh.