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Post by angelic on May 14, 2007 11:39:29 GMT
Angelic, You see, there you go confusing me. Not hard I know. First you say: and then: So this already shows you why the "study of the person rather than the event" would seem futile. You seem to think that a person who, for example, sees a UFO is more likely to encounter other paranormal happenings. Yet you state that 3 friends of yours who witnessed a UFO had no prior interest. That would say to me that there is no pattern. Had you said that they had spent years witnessing strange events then I could see your point. Im not sure what you mean by this. Are you implying that they are "chosen" to see an object in the sky? I think what you're getting at is that you believe UFO's to be supernatural and only visible by people "tuned in" or "sensitive". My view is that if there is something flying around in the sky and you see it, you were in the right place at the right time. Sorry Meercat, I am not making myself very clear here! When I said that the friends who saw the UFO' s had no interest in the subject, I meant just in UFO's. All of them had experienced previous paranormal events which had occured throughout their lives, and the UFO sighting seemed to me to be a part of a continuing pattern.
I dont believe that people who see UFO's are "chosen" as such. I have personally been told by witnessess of accounts where a sighting has taken place in a busy area in broad daylight and would have been visible to others, yet this has not been the case. This is why I have come to the conclusion that I have. Perhaps some people are able to perceive what others cannot.
Angelic
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Post by Meercat on May 15, 2007 0:41:03 GMT
Well I think the crux of the matter is for you to first decide whether of not a 'UFO' has a physical body of mass or not. If you decide that an object in the sky is a real, tangible object, then I would say that it matters not what sort of person you are or what events have happened in the past. For example you can either see an aeroplane in the sky or you cant. If you cant, its either too far away,you are looking in the wrong direction or you have visual problems. If you decide that a 'UFO' is of 'supernatural' origin then that just takes things on to a whole new level of 'woo'.
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Post by angelic on May 15, 2007 12:25:07 GMT
Well I think the crux of the matter is for you to first decide whether of not a 'UFO' has a physical body of mass or not. If you decide that an object in the sky is a real, tangible object, then I would say that it matters not what sort of person you are or what events have happened in the past. For example you can either see an aeroplane in the sky or you cant. If you cant, its either too far away,you are looking in the wrong direction or you have visual problems. If you decide that a 'UFO' is of 'supernatural' origin then that just takes things on to a whole new level of 'woo'. Meercat, you make some good points here. especially "Whether a UFO has physical body mass or not" This is the BIG question and one that I could not answer with any degree of certainty. It could well be that UFO's ARE of supernatural origin, they certainly behave in a way that would bear this theory out. Another thing to consider is the psychological effect a UFO sighting has on the witness. Their outlook on life is sometimes changed entirely. Some have spoken of a sense of awe and wonderment, the descriptions in some cases sound almost biblical. In fact one witness actually told me she thought that the end of the world had come; so strange was this object that she was veiwing that there was nothing in her vocabulary to describe it. This is one of the main reasons I am interested in talking to witnessess of this phenomenon. IMO they could hold many of the answers to this enigma.
Angelic
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Post by hellyp on May 15, 2007 13:36:01 GMT
When you talk about this sense of wonderment experienced by witnesses of UFOs, I am struck by the similarity between this and the reactions of peolpe who say they have heard the voices of spirits for the first time and those who say they have discovered God for the first time. Perhaps the people you're talking about who have had a series of supernatural things happen to them are 'special' and singled out, but I don't think you can discount the possibility that they are specifically a type of person who will leap to paranormal conclusions where others would not.
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Post by exile on May 15, 2007 13:54:32 GMT
Maybe that might be so because the people who are happy to talk about seeing a UFO, are the people you are talking about - those kind of people that are happy with the idea that there is something out there without really having any evidence or in fact needing any.
Where as the people who would rather not appear crazy and be lumped and categorised with the true-believer syndromed type people do not actually taslk about it.
So really you can't make any kind of assumptions at all about it. As you have no evidence of anything either way.
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Post by exile on May 15, 2007 13:57:56 GMT
The sense of 'wonderment and awe' you mention may be correct, but that doesn't mean it has anything to do with the supernatural. I felt an extreme sense of awe and wonderment when each of my children were born.. funnily enough they do exist - others have witnessed them too!
The fact that you are constantly misunderstanding meercats posts and disregarding my own, show that you really have no proper understanding, and appears you don't want to have. Almost as though that is what you believe and nothing anyones says will change your mind.
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Post by Meercat on May 15, 2007 15:39:58 GMT
Maybe that might be so because the people who are happy to talk about seeing a UFO, are the people you are talking about - those kind of people that are happy with the idea that there is something out there without really having any evidence or in fact needing any. Where as the people who would rather not appear crazy and be lumped and categorised with the true-believer syndromed type people do not actually taslk about it. I think this is a very valid point. There are many people who have seen things they cannot readily identify, myself included, who did not view it with 'awe and wonderment' or would describe it in any biblical sense. Those who do describe it as such and 'have had their lives changed' are obviously quite happy to believe without question that what they saw was supernatural, or indeed little green men on holiday. These people who have had their lives changed by the event, without actually questioning it at all will no doubt, when asked, tell you that the ghost of Aunty May rattles the windows when its windy and for the last ten years their cat has had an invisible friend called Maurice who eats apricots. Angelic, you have already made it clear that you are a 'true believer' by just implying that your husband has had a number of paranormal events happen to him, even though he does not think that. Why are you saying that they are paranormal?
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Post by hellyp on May 15, 2007 15:52:33 GMT
It does seem ...I won't say odd, but a little premature to believe that the people who have seen UFOs have been singled out. I mean sometimes the people who you would least expect to believe this kind of thing come forward, eg. the man in the original story on this thread.
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