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Post by pharmcat on Sept 30, 2007 19:32:07 GMT
Stephen Fry putting "New Age" into Room 101. Apart from being fab, he also makes some good points NB someone let me know if this link doesn't work and I'll try again
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Post by tomroberts on Sept 30, 2007 20:00:45 GMT
Stephen Fry putting "New Age" into Room 101. Apart from being fab, he also makes some good points NB someone let me know if this link doesn't work and I'll try again It is about 6 years old, but still very good. He is something of a national treasure.
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Post by pharmcat on Sept 30, 2007 20:05:25 GMT
They've been repeating a lot of his old stuff for his 50th, but I can watch it again and again The sad thing about this clip is that nothing has changed in the "new age" world since then, unless it's to get even worse.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Sept 30, 2007 20:09:37 GMT
nice one ann
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Post by bobdezon on Sept 30, 2007 20:14:43 GMT
I always liked him, apart from being very dry and sardonic, he is an intellectual giant.
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Post by tomroberts on Sept 30, 2007 20:59:25 GMT
I always liked him, apart from being very dry and sardonic, he is an intellectual giant. ....and he has a wonderful way with words.
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Post by hellyp on Sept 30, 2007 21:08:35 GMT
I find him incredible, because he manages to be bipolar, does not take medication, but still keeps working and living.
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Post by bobdezon on Sept 30, 2007 21:16:27 GMT
Cyclothymia to be precise, and clinical depression. I remember a few years ago he lost the plot and sodded off to france/belgium during the middle of a busy workload. There was speculation he had topped himself somewhere.
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Post by hellyp on Sept 30, 2007 21:45:12 GMT
Cyclothymia is a form of bipolar disorder.
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Post by bobdezon on Sept 30, 2007 22:42:02 GMT
yup
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Post by mesmo on Oct 1, 2007 22:58:16 GMT
Actually, I am currently being treated for a mild form of clinical depression but have opted for the 21st Century route of GP care and medication. I did not go down the route of having some old hippie dangling a blue crystal over my head with me breathing in the fumes of smoked nettles whilst rubbing lavender oil into my navel (actually - that sounds like fun, pity I just made it up).
You get my drift.
I remember seeing this Episode of Room 101 first time round and totally agreed with Steven Fry then about ''New Age'' practices. In a way, I have some sympathy for followers of such stuff because they, to me, don't like what they see in our modern way of life and to that extent, I agree with them. BUT - IMO, this is just a form of running away from realities of life and ultimately is one big massive form of denial!
I'm sure some may disagree. Hey Ho!
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Oct 1, 2007 23:56:57 GMT
I would say that for things like depression etc, I would rather see a believer with a crystal, than a sceptic on medication.
it is the only time that i think it would be better for us to be believers
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Post by bobdezon on Oct 2, 2007 8:55:14 GMT
I think if you just face your original problems and adapt to the new situation as best you can the depression would lift because your coping better than before.
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Post by hellyp on Oct 2, 2007 9:16:13 GMT
I'm making a habit of disagreeing with people at the moment, but I'm going to do it again. Clinical depression does not have to have a 'cause', you do not have to have 'problems' to become depressed. Many people say to someone who is depressed 'what on earth have you got to be depressed about? Everything's going great for you'. This shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what depression is. It can descend on you from nowhere. There are chemical aspects to it, which medication goes some way to correcting, but I would not advise it as a long term solution, having been there.
There are ways to naturally boost your serotonin levels, for example, daily exercise in the fresh air. I do believe that one must try if at all possible to maintain an optimistic outook, but this is nigh on impossible for someone in the depths of clinical depression to do.
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Post by bobdezon on Oct 2, 2007 10:08:42 GMT
according to www.clinical-depression.co.uk/Depression_Information/causes.htmTHERE ARE 3 main points of view about the causes of depression. Most commonly held is the view that it is generally some combination of these three. Depression is a medical disease, caused by a neurochemical or hormonal imbalance. Depression is caused by certain styles of thinking. Depression is a result of unfortunate experiences. There are probably many combinations of the above which can trigger the state, nuerochemically it can be altered with drugs which boost seratonin etc, but you are quite right in that they can make you dependant over time. I fully understand depression, Ive never had it myself but I have family members who do and I find a supportive nature can change that over time. The mrs had post natal depression after our second was born, and she was a bit apes*it whacky for a while. I was even attacked physically for offering her a cup of tea.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Oct 2, 2007 10:09:27 GMT
I think if you just face your original problems and adapt to the new situation as best you can the depression would lift because your coping better than before. But surely you would agree it would be better for someone to surround themselves will silly crystals and candles, hell let them take homeopathy, if the placebo effect works for them, then its ok in this kind of instance. (OMG I am arguing FOR woo, what is wrong with me)
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Post by hellyp on Oct 2, 2007 10:17:04 GMT
I agree with you, Jon. Whatever makes the person feel beter. The medication they put me on has since been found to induce suicidal feelings.
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Post by bobdezon on Oct 2, 2007 10:19:25 GMT
If it works for you go for it is my motto, for alteration of mental states it could have a placebo effect. However I wouldnt recomend it for a broken leg etc, for actual phiological changes to occur it would have to be a valid scientifically tested method.
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Post by hellyp on Oct 2, 2007 10:28:12 GMT
according to www.clinical-depression.co.uk/Depression_Information/causes.htmTHERE ARE 3 main points of view about the causes of depression. Most commonly held is the view that it is generally some combination of these three. Depression is a medical disease, caused by a neurochemical or hormonal imbalance. Depression is caused by certain styles of thinking. Depression is a result of unfortunate experiences. There are probably many combinations of the above which can trigger the state, nuerochemically it can be altered with drugs which boost seratonin etc, but you are quite right in that they can make you dependant over time. I fully understand depression, Ive never had it myself but I have family members who do and I find a supportive nature can change that over time. The mrs had post natal depression after our second was born, and she was a bit apes*it whacky for a while. I was even attacked physically for offering her a cup of tea. As you said, after looking it up, there are many causes. This means it is not as simple as simply adopting a better outlook. That's a massive simplification. Your comment suggested that depression is about problems in someone's life. Since looking it up, though, I'm glad to see you expand upon things somewhat.
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Post by bobdezon on Oct 2, 2007 11:01:54 GMT
I looked it up for the benefit of all who read this thread, I know what the current ideas on the causes are from personal experience, but Its nice to be accurate and it helps others to understand the situation better.
Adopting a positive outlook on life is helpful to everyone really, I fail to see how it could not be. Im not saying that adopting a positive outlook is all a person would need to do to feel better but that it can be a valid part of the process.
I said If you adapt to the situation the situation eases because you are not avoiding a very real problem and can finally get the help needed to get through it.
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