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Post by jomarie on Oct 17, 2006 15:39:34 GMT
Good points Kendra. If a healer wants to prove themselves they must cure a physical disability, something like Downs Syndrome, something that is irrefutable so all you want them to do is remove a chromosome? cant understand why they wont change someones DNA, piece of piss that is!
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Post by steve on Oct 17, 2006 17:28:04 GMT
and conjuring up a uterus out of thin air is pretty straightforward aswell
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Post by jomarie on Oct 17, 2006 17:43:38 GMT
why not? surely they can move a few stem cells or something? how about "healing" michael jacksons skin to the colour he wants it to be? and while their at it, i'd like bright green eyes
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Oct 17, 2006 21:56:31 GMT
You see this proves how ridiculous the claims are of these healers
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Post by jomarie on Oct 18, 2006 7:48:27 GMT
you've heard of healers who claim to do things like that? who? i think that if healers do anything then it is psychosomatic, but the way a person feels while their ill can make a huge difference to their illness, if reiki and faith healing deals with stress its worth it. i think this thread proves that some sceptics are so hell bent on disproving the paranormal they forget about psychosomatic things affecting the body, and that some expect over the top proof.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Oct 18, 2006 8:47:56 GMT
I agree with you Jo, but the problem is that these healers do not call it "Placebo Healing" or "psychosomatic healing" if they did i wouldhave no issues
The problem is that these healers claim that they can cure anything
In the case of Reiki, i believe it is claimed that the spiritual energy is helping the body cure itself. Yes the body can cure many of its own problems, this is nothing to do with the reiki.
I have heard some Reiki masters claim they can cure certain uncurable skin conditions. But for a price of course
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Post by fromtheotherside on Oct 18, 2006 12:50:20 GMT
Ahhh but dear admin....healers do not claim to such things, I have neverheard of a healer claiming they can cure Autism/downsyndrome, replace a womb etc....
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Post by fromtheotherside on Oct 18, 2006 12:54:17 GMT
you've heard of healers who claim to do things like that? who? i think that if healers do anything then it is psychosomatic, but the way a person feels while their ill can make a huge difference to their illness, if reiki and faith healing deals with stress its worth it. i think this thread proves that some sceptics are so hell bent on disproving the paranormal they forget about psychosomatic things affecting the body, and that some expect over the top proof. Exactly JM... And regarding your reference to the psyhosomatic issues that would happen if they were cured. My son for instance,though I would dearly love him to not be Autistic....Basically when he was 18 months the child I knew vanished,For the last 5 years and a bit I have a totally different child. His own mannerisms,thought patterns etc etc to take that Autism away, where would my son be? How would he cope? he wouldnt look at things the same way,understand things the same way, his entire world as he knows it would have crashed and burned....Now would that really be worth it at his age of 7, if he was 2years of age a few months after it kicked in then yes most certainly, but now. The affect on my son would be devastating...probably more so than the Autism, which to him is just how he is!
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Post by jomarie on Oct 18, 2006 14:41:29 GMT
exactly kendra!
and jon, alot of skin conditions etc can be due to stress, people thought that stress was a psychological thing, but physically theres a magnitude of things going on due to that stress which can exacerbate existing conditions or cause some - remove or reduce the stress (with massage, reiki, or even a few chats + drinks) and you can reduce the problem, we know that already - but we also know that you need to have FAITH that these things are going to help + relax us. not that i agree with charging loads of money and claiming god/angels/spirits/the christmas tree is coming through you and healing you.
nor do i agree with anyone who makes massive claims, send me some links?
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Post by steve on Oct 19, 2006 6:30:11 GMT
agreed...
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Post by steve on Oct 19, 2006 6:41:39 GMT
stress and even a bad posture can cause all sorts of things, stomach cramps, ulcers, incontinence, baldness, insomnia....being able to relax somebody's mind and get them in tune with themselves again cant be a bad thing...sure some people get carried away with it and make extravagent claims, forget about them..in my opinion, alternative healing is a reality...what did they do before we invented pills? sure people died young, but various ills could still be treated..
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Post by mamagpi on Oct 19, 2006 8:22:18 GMT
what did they do before we invented pills ?
well if you go back far enough it was the power of prayer and all kinds of potions made up from plants and their leaves etc.
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Post by steve on Oct 19, 2006 8:27:58 GMT
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Post by steve on Oct 19, 2006 8:33:41 GMT
to be quite honest i have a bigger problem with those who run the world in such a way that causes so much stress to begin with, high interest rates, inflation and so on which requires us to do more work to pay the bills and pushes the price of living up far more than what things are really worth....its a system that works for the people who make the system....cans of coke cost the best part of a quid these days when they used to be 20p not so long ago...time moves on but why do things have to cost more? think about it.
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Post by Amaris on Oct 19, 2006 9:47:48 GMT
stress and even a bad posture can cause all sorts of things, stomach cramps, ulcers, incontinence, baldness, insomnia....being able to relax somebody's mind and get them in tune with themselves again cant be a bad thing...sure some people get carried away with it and make extravagent claims, forget about them..in my opinion, alternative healing is a reality...what did they do before we invented pills? sure people died young, but various ills could still be treated.. I agree. I thought that Reiki was all about getting your body back " in tune" so to speak. I never thought it was about huge physical healings and I disagree with anybody who makes such claims. I think this seems a fairly good description of Reiki..... The Benefits Of Reiki Helps the body to relax, easing stress and tension - Reiki can be a good effective treatment for sufferers of anxiety and depression Reduces and can relieve the intensity of aches and pains Accelerates the natural healing process within the body Releases blocked stale energy, enabling energy to circulate freely through the body
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Post by fromtheotherside on Oct 19, 2006 12:18:24 GMT
what did they do before we invented pills ? well if you go back far enough it was the power of prayer and all kinds of potions made up from plants and their leaves etc. Welllllll even in todays medicines and super Dooper medicinal pills etc there are extracts and so forth still obtained from plants and so on that were used and applied all those years ago...Also of course the basic chemicals within those plants are synthesised to give the desired affect to the potion...learning from hocus pokery It would seem, no it isn't,is it?No never!!!!
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Post by jomarie on Oct 19, 2006 12:31:25 GMT
to be quite honest i have a bigger problem with those who run the world in such a way that causes so much stress to begin with, high interest rates, inflation and so on which requires us to do more work to pay the bills and pushes the price of living up far more than what things are really worth....its a system that works for the people who make the system....cans of coke cost the best part of a quid these days when they used to be 20p not so long ago...time moves on but why do things have to cost more? think about it. agreed
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Post by mamagpi on Oct 19, 2006 13:02:04 GMT
what did they do before we invented pills ? well if you go back far enough it was the power of prayer and all kinds of potions made up from plants and their leaves etc. Welllllll even in todays medicines and super Dooper medicinal pills etc there are extracts and so forth still obtained from plants and so on that were used and applied all those years ago...Also of course the basic chemicals within those plants are synthesised to give the desired affect to the potion...learning from hocus pokery It would seem, no it isn't,is it?No never!!!! exactly Kendra alot of todays pills and ptions stemmed from the natural remedies
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Oct 19, 2006 14:20:39 GMT
Yep, and absolutely none of them stemmed from psychic healers
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Post by steve on Oct 19, 2006 15:41:25 GMT
dont u mean none of them dude? dont u believe us then?
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