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Post by harvey107 on Apr 1, 2007 10:49:15 GMT
I dont think people can just say its choice and turn a blind to everything, but i suppose we will have to agree to disagree.
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Post by hellyp on Apr 1, 2007 11:02:34 GMT
No one is suggesting turning a blind eye to 'everything'. People are suggesting that if you don't like something, or if you disagree with it on religious grounds, it is your right to not go and look at it, just as it is everyone else's right to go and look at it if they so choose, and not have the suitability or otherwise of a piece of art decided on their behalf. Personally, I find the image of a man in agony hanging off a cross with nails protruding from his wrists and ankles and blood streaming down his face offensive. Do I call for the removal of all such images? No. I just don't look at them.
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Post by harvey107 on Apr 1, 2007 12:42:55 GMT
So where is that kind of image on public view then? I don't see the church putting images out like that, maybe films do but trying to tell a story true or not is not the same as doing something to ridicule and cause publicity.
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Post by benvolio on Apr 1, 2007 13:24:55 GMT
The Church has done far worse things than make a Chocolate Naked Jesus...Far worse.
And all in his name...
"If thine eye offends thee, pluck it out." - Matthew 18:9
There's your answer.
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Post by harvey107 on Apr 1, 2007 14:19:38 GMT
So the whole church is at fault because of some crazy individuals and anyway this is Jesus not the church and sadly they dont deserve our respect but he does.
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Post by benvolio on Apr 1, 2007 14:35:03 GMT
I don't see how a naked sculpture is disrespectful at all.
It shows Jesus how God made him...End of.
And whether it is chocolate or marble or whatever,it makes no difference.
I think it is a very good work of art,that perhaps serves to remind people that Chocolate Easter Eggs perhaps take priority these days over the real meaning of Easter.
Jesus has been 'stripped' down to Chocolate Nakedness...The same way Easter has been stripped of it's real meaning.
Don't take it at face value.Perhaps it is a more reverential piece than you first think.
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Post by bobdezon on Apr 1, 2007 19:15:29 GMT
The bible uses alogories to tell stories, I see this artwork as the artists alogorical tale of the commercialisation of easter. To me at least it is no different. I think if the catholics asked Bill to remove this and started a letter writing campaign to him, when he had collated all the signatures he should have then acted. It seems to me that that he personally took offense and used his position to garner publicity for his cause. If OFCOM worked like that it would be largely ignored.
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Post by thursfield on Apr 1, 2007 20:12:38 GMT
amazing how a LITTLE bit of nudity brings them out of the woodwork realy isnt it..?
if this was a model of a NORMAL person i/e a male nude model, would they still be making all this fuss, no of course they wouldnt, if it was a modrl of a naked buddah would the catholics be making as much fuss again..? doubtful.
buddist prob would but certainly not the catholics..?
if its something that effects your own faith or religion or values then on the defensive we go?
just shows how biggoted religions can be when they want to be...or at least certain influential members of certain religions, me myself although i regard myself as a skeptic, i am also a believer in a god , a higher being, an entity..?.. call it what you like, call me what you like..personaly i dont care, im thick skinned enough to be able to live with it and actualy get on with my life.
for gods sake why cant these people just get on with thir lives and live and let live, christians, well they probably like to use the word but their actions show otherwise.
im not saying anymore..?
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Post by hellyp on Apr 2, 2007 8:36:07 GMT
So where is that kind of image on public view then? I don't see the church putting images out like that, maybe films do but trying to tell a story true or not is not the same as doing something to ridicule and cause publicity. Every Catholic church displays this image. Every crucifiction story shows this image. To children, too. This image is one of the most famous in the world. It's interesting that you automatically assume that this sculpture has been made to ridicule Jesus. Perhaps it needs to be thought about a bit more deeply. And since you mentioned it, why is a film trying to tell a story, true or not, any different? Both are modes of expression. I wonder how many of these people also complained about The Life of Brian, even though this film was about a man called Brian, and not about Jesus at all. So the whole church is at fault because of some crazy individuals and anyway this is Jesus not the church and sadly they dont deserve our respect but he does. For atheists, I reckon this notion of disrespect to a fictional character would be seen as completely mad. Many people do not have the same view of Jesus as you do. I'm afraid there's no way round that. I'm not an atheist. I respect your right to believe that Jesus deserves our respect. I do not feel that a person who probably didn't even exist deserves my respect, and I certainly don't feel that someone should try to tell me who I should respect. But again, I find myself admitting that I just don't see how this image is disrespectful. You're calling these people 'crazy individuals' - I assume you mean the right wing Christians who complained - and yet you seem to agree with them. |
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Post by harvey107 on Apr 2, 2007 10:08:58 GMT
Here we go its always the same I'm a believer so I'm labeled "crazy" for wanting a sculpture banned. You don't have to respect them yourselves but respect other religions which the law voted in by our own government says.
As for the crazy individuals i was meaning far right nutters who give us all a bad name not normal people who try to get a sculpture banned.
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Post by chune on Apr 2, 2007 10:55:07 GMT
 "Your own..Cho-co-late.. Jesus" |
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Post by hellyp on Apr 2, 2007 13:29:15 GMT
I am perfectly willing to respect other people's religions. Anyone can do whatever they like as far as I'm concerned, unless it harms someone or impinges on other people's lives. Why should a piece of art be kept from everyone who might want to see it because a few people complained? America is supposed to be a democracy. It's a joke.
Oh, and I like that, chune. ;D
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Post by bone on Apr 3, 2007 10:45:33 GMT
Here we go its always the same I'm a believer so I'm labeled "crazy" for wanting a sculpture banned. You don't have to respect them yourselves but respect other religions which the law voted in by our own government says. As for the crazy individuals i was meaning far right nutters who give us all a bad name not normal people who try to get a sculpture banned. Actually you appear to want to have your chocolate Jesus and eat him too!, so you demand that your childish religious views be "respected", but you dont want other people to have the freedom to disagree and yes even ridicule your beliefs, your version of respect seems to be a one sided street? well tough..you appear to actually want to live in a theocracy, I would rather be living in a free society where I can ridicule whatever ridiculous belief system I choose without being told what I can and can not present as art or any other form of free expression by people who think that their very existance and life is run by the cosmic CCTV controller...burnt any good books lately? How very christian, the reinforced sexual repression so very typical of the Abrahamic sky god cults... |
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Post by chune on Apr 3, 2007 11:06:05 GMT
If he had chose to a chocolate Jesus sculpture with a towel around him then i would have no problem[.]
OH NOES!! JESUS HAD A PEENER!!
Everybody PANIC!!
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Post by sobrietysucks on Apr 3, 2007 15:13:43 GMT
Am reminded of the furore when people dared to suggest that Jesus might not be blond and blue eyed 'cos of where he came from. Also reminded of the very funny Eddie Izzard sketch about easter and chocolate.........
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Post by hellyp on Apr 3, 2007 20:05:26 GMT
God, bone, I've missed you.  |
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Post by bone on Apr 4, 2007 8:09:51 GMT
God, bone, I've missed you.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2007 21:32:14 GMT
Bone, love your sig! have karma...  |
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Post by benvolio on Apr 4, 2007 22:11:22 GMT
Nice sig bone...but.
I find Occams Razor a byword for Intellectual laziness to be honest.
Occam's Razor ignores freak occurrences and only focuses on the more likely statistical possibility.
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Post by bone on Apr 5, 2007 8:05:36 GMT
This is true, but you have to admit for *most* occurences it works very well indeed.
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