I have to say, that I am concerned as to the way things have turned out over there. However, if it is ok with all of you I will use both forums.
The people that do not want to hear an alternative view can stay there and use the forum as they wish, gaining the support they believe they need, and there is nothing wrong with that. However these are people that are not interested in the other side. If they are I will direct them over here.
I believe you have pointed out some extremely good and alarming evidence to me about some bad medium practises.
I did just reply to your lovely message Monster, but it was when I went to send it that I discovered that you were no more. In answer to it, I appreciate how cold reading works since meeting you all, and have been watching it practised on television. I have not been in my spiritual circle or with likeminded people since the beginning of December so cannot comment on people I know.
With regards to Tracy, she is a friend and hope she will continue to be. However the questions I need answering from her and from Tony are not something I could ask on a web site. I have questions on the whole idea of mediumship now, but I would prefer to ask them face to face over dinner or a bottle of wine, rather than for everyone else to put there ore in. It is personal to me, and with thanks to all of you and I mean that sincerely, I will now do my own investigating (for want of a better word) into the 'truth' and when I find it I will be sure to let you know.
Until then, I will continue to practise mediumship as I was doing and see where I get.
Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Dec 31, 2006 12:06:49 GMT
I do hope you don't class me a spy!!
I stopped worrying about spies months ago. EVERYONE is a spy potentially, so whats the point hiding anything
I have to say, that I am concerned as to the way things have turned out over there. However, if it is ok with all of you I will use both forums.
You are more than welcome on here, as is anyone regardless of their beliefs.
I hope that you can see that we are honest genuine people who like to debate and chat.
The people that do not want to hear an alternative view can stay there and use the forum as they wish, gaining the support they believe they need, and there is nothing wrong with that. However these are people that are not interested in the other side. If they are I will direct them over here.
I think it is very sad that Tracy is trying to control everything her paying customers see andhear, I get the feeling that you are starting to see this new side to Tracy, the same side i described weeks ago
I believe you have pointed out some extremely good and alarming evidence to me about some bad medium practises.
Thank you, that is pretty much our main aim
With regards to Tracy, she is a friend and hope she will continue to be.
A friend who you happen to pay money to. If I paid you money, i am sure you would treat me as a friend too, just think about it. Wheneve ryou pay someone, they are never your friend.
When i did my mediumship course with Kendra, she never charged me a penny, she is my friend.
Actually you would be better off being a student of Kendras, you will learn in a much better manner.
However the questions I need answering from her and from Tony are not something I could ask on a web site.
Do you honestly think that when you ask them face to face that they will be honest to you? They will spin you a bunch of lies, make me out to be poison. Again if I lied about them they would sue me.
Hell Kendra has told you the truth about them and she is a medium!
I have questions on the whole idea of mediumship now, but I would prefer to ask them face to face over dinner or a bottle of wine, rather than for everyone else to put there ore in. It is personal to me, and with thanks to all of you and I mean that sincerely, I will now do my own investigating (for want of a better word) into the 'truth' and when I find it I will be sure to let you know.
Speak to Kendra if you want to learn about spiritualism, she will tell you things straight, no sugar coating, or lies. I may not agree with kendra, but she speaks from the heart, not from her purse or wallet.
Until then, I will continue to practise mediumship as I was doing and see where I get.
Just remember that when they get you alone, they will use every trick in the book to turn you against me, this site, andmaybe even kendra too.
They want to protect their income, remember that.
I get no money from you, if you believe or are a sceptic, it doesnt make a difference to me, In fact I simply have no reason to lie.
If i really was this anti-psychic, lying lunatic, then I would've destroyed the likes of Kendra, Lowrider etc
I am honest in my beliefs and opinions. Can you say the same about the people you PAY to teach you?
A bad ass who will beat you like he's using the fists of god.
I do have to disagree Jon. I chose to pay money to Tracy when I joined the circle. That was my choice to pay to find out what it was about. I did not want to just go to the churches as they're completely different.
Tracy, and Tony have become friends separately to the mediumship. Tony especially as when we see Tony it has nothing to do with mediumship.
I have done work for friends, and not mediumship work I mean, and have charged them. Would Jonny never charge a friend for a piece of artwork? We have many friends who ask things to do with my husband's line of work, but we charge them for it.
Tracy and I are really quite similar in other aspects of our lives which is why we get on so well, and it does not cost me money to be her friend. I object to that.
The rest I am happy to look at. With regards to Kendra, she has only stated that she was offered information when asked to join in with the Psychic Detective programme. I have not read any other proof from her, and I would also like the opportunity to find out about the otherside to mediumship from others and not just from Kendra. Is she the only person you trust on the subject? Or is she the only one who knows the tv personalities?
I want to look into mediumship as a whole, not the tv mediums as there would be no way of proving mediumship on the tv unless you just believe as you are not there personally and I do not trust the tv companies as I have mentioned before. They are the ones that make the real money. I know, my father was in broadcasting!
I do not have a problem with questioning Tracy or me about Tracy with regards to her mediumship and psychic abilities and her tv work. I do have a problem with questions about Tracy being my friend.
Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Dec 31, 2006 13:21:43 GMT
I do have to disagree Jon. I chose to pay money to Tracy when I joined the circle. That was my choice to pay to find out what it was about. I did not want to just go to the churches as they're completely different.
Well I would say that you are wasting your money
Tracy, and Tony have become friends separately to the mediumship. Tony especially as when we see Tony it has nothing to do with mediumship.
Tracy and Tony are only friends because they can help each others careers.
I have done work for friends, and not mediumship work I mean, and have charged them. Would Jonny never charge a friend for a piece of artwork? We have many friends who ask things to do with my husband's line of work, but we charge them for it.
That is a shame. I never charge friends for things. I often get asked to fix PC's etc for friends, never once have i asked for money, even when it has taken me ages to do, a lot of my time etc.
The whole point of a friend is that you do things for each other out of friendship.
Tracy and I are really quite similar in other aspects of our lives which is why we get on so well, and it does not cost me money to be her friend. I object to that.
IT DOES. I doubt you are really that similar, especially when it comes to mediumship, I am hoping that unlike her, you are honest in your mediumship.
The rest I am happy to look at. With regards to Kendra, she has only stated that she was offered information when asked to join in with the Psychic Detective programme.
SPEAK TO HER. Ask her about Colin Fry. OMG how hard is it to just PM her.
I have not read any other proof from her, and I would also like the opportunity to find out about the otherside to mediumship from others and not just from Kendra. Is she the only person you trust on the subject? Or is she the only one who knows the tv personalities?
She is the ONLY person i know who is what i call a true spiritulist medium. She has studied the philosophies the history etc of her religion. It just so happens that she also knows a lot of career TV mediums.
She has also experienced first hand the dark side of mediumship, and the very very real Psychic Maffia.
She is the ONLY medium i trust as a friend, as an honest person, and as someone who has never once tried to con me. When i do wrong she tells me, when i do right she commends me. She is straight down the middle, no bulls*it from her, and thats the reason i speak highly of her.
She has no reason to lie, she is the countries ONLY medium whohas publicly exposed another medium, and in doing so putting her very life and livelyhood on the line
I want to look into mediumship as a whole, not the tv mediums as there would be no way of proving mediumship on the tv unless you just believe as you are not there personally and I do not trust the tv companies as I have mentioned before. They are the ones that make the real money. I know, my father was in broadcasting!
TV psychics like Tracy, your so called friend, is part of that industry now, the greed has already taken over her, the mediums she mixes with are known and proven frauds. Is she really the only honest one? if she was she wouldnt mix with them.
A bad ass who will beat you like he's using the fists of god.
Again Jon, I will question both of the mediums, Tracy and Kendra, but I object to you commenting on my friendships. A lot of my friends do things that I think are wrong and unjust and down right stupid but they are still my friends. I also tell them when I think it is wrong, but unless it is beyond redemption, they are still my friends. Do not question my friendship with anyone. If this forum is to question how my friendships are conducted and who I can and can't be friends with then it is not the forum I thought it was.
I am happy to debate mediumship, psychics etc, etc, not friendships.
I do not have a problem with questioning Tracy or me about Tracy with regards to her mediumship and psychic abilities and her tv work. I do have a problem with questions about Tracy being my friend.
Hi HH I don't think anyone is questioning you're reasons for being Tracey's friend,or the reasons for your loyalty which I must say should be applauded rather than critacised..what is being questioned here from what I can on reading other posts..is her loyalty to you,and her friendship. Every friendship,interaction with another is for a reason to gain something,even if menial. Sometimes just simply because you feel good or understood when in another's company..Some others befriend others for other reasons...reasons that have nothing to do with true friendship!Its not your motives that are being questioned..I would say it is Traceys.. Firstly..May I ask you, and I mean this with the deepest respect..and of course you dont have to answer if you do not wish to.. What is it you gain form your friendship with Tracey...I do mean on an emotional level,not any other. friends support you in ALL areas of your life..not just spiritual..
And why is it she is friends with you...ask her if you do not truly know or are not sure..The answer may be interesting. Again on a personal level not any other.
As there are varying levels of emotion there are levels of friendship.It may be you two are acquaintances rather than true friends.
Would she be as loyal to you,as you are to her? Ask yourself that truthfully and honestly....
Honestly Kendra, I have used the term friend loosely, as I do with a lot of people and I would agree that she is an aquaintance with whom I click with. I have had no need to test her loyalty to me yet as a friend really so I cannot answer that one.
When we are not in a 'spiritual' scenario, we make each other laugh a lot. We have a lot of common views on 'normal' things such as men, sex, children, food etc. We have common interests, it is just that we have met through the development circle.
If I decide that mediumship is not for me, she is one of the people I would imagine I would still go drinking with afterwards....well I hope I would.
With regards to friends supporting.....I agree, that friends do support others in many roles, and at this moment in my life I seem to be a main supporter rather than needing it myself. I have always lived with the philosophy that I want to meet as many people as I can in my life as I feel you learn something from everybody, good or bad. I also believe that I have had rather a nice life, with apart from the odd death, nothing too horrid happening. However, I also know that one day I will need support from people, so if I help people now, then when I need it hopefully they will help me.
That I suppose is when I will find out who my true friends are.
Kendra, do you still run development circles, and if so, where? Are you down South at all?
Honestly Kendra, I have used the term friend loosely, as I do with a lot of people and I would agree that she is an aquaintance with whom I click with. I have had no need to test her loyalty to me yet as a friend really so I cannot answer that one.
When we are not in a 'spiritual' scenario, we make each other laugh a lot. We have a lot of common views on 'normal' things such as men, sex, children, food etc. We have common interests, it is just that we have met through the development circle.
If I decide that mediumship is not for me, she is one of the people I would imagine I would still go drinking with afterwards....well I hope I would.
With regards to friends supporting.....I agree, that friends do support others in many roles, and at this moment in my life I seem to be a main supporter rather than needing it myself. I have always lived with the philosophy that I want to meet as many people as I can in my life as I feel you learn something from everybody, good or bad. I also believe that I have had rather a nice life, with apart from the odd death, nothing too horrid happening. However, I also know that one day I will need support from people, so if I help people now, then when I need it hopefully they will help me.
That I suppose is when I will find out who my true friends are.
Kendra, do you still run development circles, and if so, where? Are you down South at all?
Sometimes...people are not who they appear to be...just be wary.I mean that sincerely and with all respect..
Yup the centre still runs classes and courses..not down south yet though.The only time I go south now is when asked to demonstrate,lecture etc.Heres a thought..seriously..why not ask Tracey to let me take the circle for one night...guest tutor.I would be more than willing to do that..seriously I mean that.
keep getting asked to run classes and courses down there by certain spiritual establishments ,so maybe in the future!