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Post by ogre on Apr 14, 2008 21:06:07 GMT
We're assuming the services rendered were in the garden, he could have been maintaining her plumbing.
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Post by ogre on Apr 14, 2008 21:16:03 GMT
Just swinging aside from the cannibalism theme for a second. There does seem to be a huge condemnation of religous people trying to spread their beliefs and culture to other cultures.
And a general consensus that whatever a culture is up to, no other culture has the right to impose itself on the other.
What would "you" do about North Korea and the Personality cult set up to enslave not only the bodies but the minds of the North Koreans?
A) Nothing, it's their culture B) Nothing, they've got Nukes C) Start a Campaign against Kim Yong Ill & Kim Il Sung D) North Korea??
(I'm NOT asking for an assessment of the likelyhood of success / failure, only what you would choose to do if you had the motivation / opportunity)
Meercat if I may for the sake of debate ask you this.
We both agree (I think) that there is no afterlife, this is all we have and we have to make what we can of it.
Given that, how can the killing (hopefully, I don't know of any culture that eats people alive) of a human so "the tribe" can eat him be justified?
(BTW I'm not against killing per se I think it justified in many cases, it's the killing to eat part that I'm declaring (IMO) wrong)
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Post by john on Apr 14, 2008 21:34:31 GMT
Just a cotton picking minute. This thread goes off the track and just as I figure a way to bring it back there is another diversion. So from £100 for services rendered.....What for? Look at the thread. Do I see pot? Was that the gardening. But to go full circle. Was is something to do with the missionary position??
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Post by ogre on Apr 14, 2008 21:42:48 GMT
Do I see pot?
What he was supplying her with drugs as well? Truly scandalous.
BTW the BBC World Service is holding a debate tonight "should the World influence the Zimbabwean elections, or should Zimbabweans be left to sort things out for themselves.
Talk about nicking our thread!
Personnally I would like to say "yes" as those who believe in Democracy have a duty to support it where it is under threat.
Practically I know that all it means is that the intervener has to take a side in the Civil War that follows, pick a side to back and put it in power. That's what history's shown what happens, from Alexander, through the Romans, the Chinese to the British.
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Post by Meercat on Apr 14, 2008 21:53:03 GMT
Just swinging aside from the cannibalism theme for a second. There does seem to be a huge condemnation of religous people trying to spread their beliefs and culture to other cultures. And a general consensus that whatever a culture is up to, no other culture has the right to impose itself on the other. What would "you" do about North Korea and the Personality cult set up to enslave not only the bodies but the minds of the North Koreans? In my opinion, nothing. If I lived in North Korea then my answer may be different. If I lived there then I think I would have been shot by now for trying motivate people to partake in a Civil war. I'm not sure about the use of the word 'justified'. It's more down to 'value of human life'. Humans have been killing humans ever since we learnt how to pick a blunt object up, then we found sharp ones were even more effective. Whether the victim is 'eaten' afterwards, is down to a matter of taste I suppose. Being a meat eater, I'm not in a position to judge a cannibal, we are merely another species of 'animal'. We kill each other for far worse reasons than food. Is it worse or better to kill someone because 'you're pissed and not a nice person', or because you see another human as 'a viable source of food'?...
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Post by MoonRiver on Apr 14, 2008 22:01:08 GMT
I will try to keep my reply to your original post regarding cannibalism and morality short.
Missionaries entered, uninvited, into cultures that were successfully and productively thriving in their own way and inflicted the Christian way of life, including the morality of Christian living. To me, it is immoral to take a superior stand simply because it is not a way of life one agrees with. However, I believe their intentions were well intended, so would not say the act of ‘invasion’ was immoral. As natural carnivores humans are able to digest human flesh, and thankfully cannibalism is abhorrent to western culture as a result of conditioning and nurture. It is the consideration of the ‘soul’ and ‘afterlife’, and the misconception that humans are superior in nature to all other forms of life, which creates the belief that cannibalism is immoral. Death is a state of ceasing to exist, and all things organic feed on other things organic. Bodies are disposed of mainly by decomposition (burial) or fire (cremation). The logic behind cannibalism could be that we came from our family and after death we return to nourish our family, Logically, that does not appear immoral.
I recall a sci-fi film called Soylent Green. It showed a futuristic global famine in which people were being nourished by little green tablets made from dead people. I think it was supposed to be a horror movie, but I could really acknowledge the logic of it all.
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Post by john on Apr 14, 2008 22:08:49 GMT
Yes I am sure he just tended her bush and other plants as all good gardeners do. It's great fun scandalising the family. It's so much more fun being the black sheep or the loose canon. People almost expect you to be unpredictable or misbehave and so I find I get away with much more. It's great fun scandalising the family. It's so much more fun being the black sheep or the loose canon. Too right Kensington! A man after my own heart. When my grand-daughter was about five we had her for the weekend about once a month. My daughter left us a book (By mistake?) on bringing up children. I took that as a challenge. So I started teaching my grand-daughter a few phrases. As I recall it started by getting her to say "My name's Deirdre. I'm from Birmingham" in as strong a Brummy accent as I could manage. Then that it was OK to tell people that her parents weren't her "real" parents. Or that she didn't know her "real" father. If she saw a policeman when she was in the car with her parents it was OK to open the window and shout "fascist pig". When I had been told off enough I started with Shakespeare. It was OK to shout "A pox on all your ....." for anything she didn't like! And their car became the bratmobile. That if her parents threatened her she should ring 999. Our toilet was made by a man named Crapper. So we called it "The Old Crapper". Then there was the poetry. Of sorts! The one about the man who crept into the crypt, crapped and crept out again. Or the magic tin she took home. This was the actual tin that Rin Tin Tin s*it in. Finally I was warned off! No more bad language. So one weekend we sat in the garden chewing cigarette papers until they were really soggy then having a competition to see who could spit them the furthest! She took a packet home with her and her mother later found her in the garden with a couple of friends all happily spitting away! There were many other things but in the end I went too far. From a very joke. Get some chicken gristle and slowly dry it in the oven. Then dye it with iodine. After a few days you have these horrible little brown "things". Put them into someone's hand and tell them that they are surgically removed haemorrhoids! Always good for a laugh! OR NOT. She took them to school. There was a letter........! I could have gone further. I'm a real sick bastard. Just dry out a small piece of chicken skin and tell anyone who's listening that it's the leftovers from your recent circumcision! Not really counted in the above, but she recently told me that she was 13 years old before she found out the continually flooded road near Macro in Park Royal was actually The Grand Union Canal.
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Post by hellyp on Apr 14, 2008 22:26:08 GMT
Lest we forget - 'That music means that the ice cream van has run out of ice cream'.
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Post by ogre on Apr 15, 2008 1:39:32 GMT
Hi John, sorry if you've heard this before.
A couple were married happily for 30 years, they faced life's joys and sorrows together and grew deeper in love every day.
There was just one fly in the ointment. In his later years "Dad" developed the habit of waking up in the morning and as his first action letting out a long satisfying fart, usually driving Mum out of bed in disgust and nasal shock.
One Christmas Day, Mum was up first and early as she had the Christmas turkey to prepare, whilst getting out the gizzrds and gilblets, she had a mischevious idea. Quietly carrying the body parts upstairs, she gently entered the bedroom, pulled back the duvet and placed the gizzards by Dad's backside (figuring she was the one who had to clean the sheets anyway so may as well have some fun).
Creeping back downstairs she continued with the Turkey preparation. Sure enough about and hour later she heard
PHWWWwwwwwwaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrttttttt pppppllllllll
Followed by a scream, running footsteps and the slamming of the bathroom door.
Laughing to herself, Mum continued with Dinner preparation, but wondered why Dad was being so quiet and had not come downstairs
"Are you allright Dear?" she called upstairs "Don't worry, be down in a few minutes" Dad cried back.
Sure enough a few minutes later Dad came down, looking somewhat green.
"What's up?" said Mum
"Honey I just had a close shave, I farted my guts out, but with God's help and these two fingers I managed to stuff them all back in again"
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Post by ogre on Apr 15, 2008 1:44:03 GMT
Hi Moonriver, that is indeed a very cogent position, which I can't really disagree with except for the proviso of the snack human not being killed for that purpose.
I think I saw the film as well, did it have Charlton Heston in? The basis of recycling humans also featured (and again I'm amazed how threads run together) in Judge Dredd as all humans were recycled in Mega City One to provide resources for the living.
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Post by ogre on Apr 15, 2008 4:51:18 GMT
Oh well, going off shift for a week or so. I hope you enjoy the thread and expand it, see you about the 29th
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Post by kensington on Apr 15, 2008 5:12:35 GMT
Have a good one Ogre and see you soon. Moonriver I like your way of thinking. Lol John you crack me up. You are even more evil than me by the sounds of things ;D Lol.
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Post by john on Apr 15, 2008 14:48:02 GMT
Have a good one Ogre and see you soon. Moonriver I like your way of thinking. Lol John you crack me up. You are even more evil than me by the sounds of things ;D Lol. Sadly, I take that as a compliment!
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Post by kensington on Apr 15, 2008 14:54:28 GMT
Lol, oh believe me it was
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Post by john on Apr 15, 2008 15:47:20 GMT
Lest we forget - 'That music means that the ice cream van has run out of ice cream'. That's another good one. How about telling my grand-daughter in front of her mother that the tooth fairy is so busy she can't carry coins. It's notes only. And of course the old story of Christmas being cancelled because Santa is dead! Ditto the Easter bunny! And the bird, whose name escapes me, that flies around in ever decreasing circles until it finally disappears. Where to? I don't know but your mother does!
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Post by Meercat on Apr 15, 2008 15:52:52 GMT
And the bird, whose name escapes me, that flies around in ever decreasing circles until it finally disappears. Ahhh... that'll be the very rare "Oozlum bird"
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Post by john on Apr 15, 2008 16:06:02 GMT
Lol, oh believe me it was Based on your compliment I will use the program I have to print out a certificate for myself. (I'm generous like that!) I can hang it between my degree in necrophilia and the conditions of my ASBO!
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Post by john on Apr 15, 2008 16:10:36 GMT
And the bird, whose name escapes me, that flies around in ever decreasing circles until it finally disappears. Ahhh... that'll be the very rare "Oozlum bird" Thanks for your help. Not only adminstrator but also ORNITHOLOGIST! How do you cope?
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Post by hellyp on Apr 15, 2008 16:11:29 GMT
Whisky.
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Post by Meercat on Apr 15, 2008 16:14:27 GMT
Ahhh... that'll be the very rare "Oozlum bird" Thanks for your help. Not only adminstrator but also ORNITHOLOGIST! How do you cope? Serious medication and whiskey.
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