That's way out of order. Rarely have I been this incandescent over some dumbass jobsworth, and I've met some proper ones. As it's a day that's presumably been decided by the Government, would you be able to write to your MP about it? Sorry if that's a naive question. Maybe there's something your work colleagues can do?
That's way out of order. Rarely have I been this incandescent over some dumbass jobsworth, and I've met some proper ones. As it's a day that's presumably been decided by the Government, would you be able to write to your MP about it? Sorry if that's a naive question. Maybe there's something your work colleagues can do?
Thank you for your comments. I think at present I'm just going to sit in my corner like a good little girl and get through the day, and then decide what to do after I've chilled out over the weekend.
I do have support from my friends at work and they have mentioned I should take this action further (ie contacting the press, or CAB etc). but for the moment I'm just wishing the clock to say 4:30 so that I can get the hell out of Dodge, get home, have a shower, go out and get merrily drunk ;D
I totally understand your desire to take it further, but as you say, just hang back a bit - you've got to work after this. Slowly slowly catchy monkey.
'All through this short life we give of ourselves, giving and giving and slowly diminishing. Leaving a mark that will gradually fade, ash in the breeze, snowballs in negative.'
And as for those PC gherkins, their problem is that they don't bother to ask minorities what is acceptable to them -.....
Sorry hun but that is exactly what's wrong at the moment. Why the hell should the people of ANY particular country ask migrants to their 'homeland' what is acceptible to them? In the UK especially we seem to do this all the flippin time. Migrants throughout the ages have come here, settled, intergrated and enriched society without the need for self appointed commisars asking if it's ok with them that the rest of the population can get on with their lives too. Regardless of race, creed, colour or sexual preference, if you want to live and work here then you need to accept the ways of the people already here. If not, then don't come here. Don't see many Evangelical preachers in Saudi, do you? Nope, coz the Saudis aren't going to bend their ways to accomodated anyone else. Then again, why should they? It's their country and their rules (however unsavoury to most of us) apply.
mini rant over move along
May the Gods grant me.... The ability to change the things I can, The serenity to accept the things I can't change, And the wisdom to properly hide the bodies of those who P***ed me off
42 is not an answer, it's an error code. The universe is saying 'Error 42: meaning to universe not found'
Diane, I am very angry about this. Get on to your union if you have one and are a member and most certainly consult your lawyer. This is disgraceful and I am sorry but it would only happen in England. I am really pissed off that this has happened. Good luck and we are all behind you
"Dont forget to cover your bum, or you'll get a red bum"
And as for those PC gherkins, their problem is that they don't bother to ask minorities what is acceptable to them -.....
Sorry hun but that is exactly what's wrong at the moment. Why the hell should the people of ANY particular country ask migrants to their 'homeland' what is acceptible to them? In the UK especially we seem to do this all the flippin time. Migrants throughout the ages have come here, settled, intergrated and enriched society without the need for self appointed commisars asking if it's ok with them that the rest of the population can get on with their lives too. Regardless of race, creed, colour or sexual preference, if you want to live and work here then you need to accept the ways of the people already here. If not, then don't come here. Don't see many Evangelical preachers in Saudi, do you? Nope, coz the Saudis aren't going to bend their ways to accomodated anyone else. Then again, why should they? It's their country and their rules (however unsavoury to most of us) apply.
mini rant over move along
I wasn't actually talking about 'migrants'. I was talking about minorities - British citizens, you know, people who were mostly born here, but happen to have different coloured skin, or a different religion or language, from the majority of people. And my point was that if these PC types actually did ask these British citizens who live here, work here and contribute to our and their country, they would probably find that their reaction to such things as someone having a St George's flag as the screen saver on their mobile would be 'who cares?'.
So my point wasn't even that minorities should necessarily be asked - it was that PC types and their decisions are sometimes so far off-beam that they constantly make stupid pronouncements which often place BRITISH minorities firmly in the shyte.
But just on the subject of immigrants - we're practically all descended from immigrants to this country. The difference these days is that current immigrants are invited in, whereas in days gone by they just invaded, and consequently imposed their own specific cultures on the locals, no questions asked. That's how we've arrived at 'our ways'. Wave after wave of invasion and immigration, and yet somehow now, we are expected to remain static and unchanging, as though 'Britishness' or 'Englishness' been intact for ten thousand years and is only now under 'threat'. We're not like we were in Celtic times, Roman times, Viking times or Norman times either, there have been many changes since. It stands to reason that what it means to be English or British will carry on changing. That's just the way it is. Nothing new there.
'All through this short life we give of ourselves, giving and giving and slowly diminishing. Leaving a mark that will gradually fade, ash in the breeze, snowballs in negative.'
I didn't make my point very well and went off on a tangient. What I meant was, why should a self appointed, wannabe commisaar have the right to ask a minority to say or a have a veto on what is acceptable to the majority? We have people from all over the world living here and there are things that may be acceptable in say, Sumatra, that wouldn't be acceptable here and vice versa. Let's take homosexuality as an example. A person has the right and the freedom to be openly homosexual, bi-sexual or anything else here. To people from a good few cultures living here (possibly for generations) that is a 'sin' and is a punishable offence (as it was here once). Should a minority view be followed in this instance and homosexuals et al be punished in accordance with their sensibilities? Of course not. So why should they be consulted about whether or not we (the collective, UK, all race, all colour 'we') should be 'allowed' to fly our flags on our national days? (Although there doesn't seem to be the same problems with the Saltire, Y Draig Gocb or the Tricolour which seem to be flown with impunity at any time) A minority have misappropriated the flag of St George for bigoted purposes and the majority living in England need to take it back. St Georges Day seems the best time to start
That's probably an even worse way of putting it but I'm at work ATM, half asleep and rambling as usual lol.
May the Gods grant me.... The ability to change the things I can, The serenity to accept the things I can't change, And the wisdom to properly hide the bodies of those who P***ed me off
42 is not an answer, it's an error code. The universe is saying 'Error 42: meaning to universe not found'
I didn't make my point very well and went off on a tangient. What I meant was, why should a self appointed, wannabe commisaar have the right to ask a minority to say or a have a veto on what is acceptable to the majority? We have people from all over the world living here and there are things that may be acceptable in say, Sumatra, that wouldn't be acceptable here and vice versa. Let's take homosexuality as an example. A person has the right and the freedom to be openly homosexual, bi-sexual or anything else here. To people from a good few cultures living here (possibly for generations) that is a 'sin' and is a punishible offence (as it was here once). Should a minority view be followed in this instance and homosexuals et al be punished in accordance with their sensibilities? Of course not. So why should they be consulted about whether or not we (the collective, UK, all race, all colour 'we') should be 'allowed to fly our flags on our national days?
That's probably an even worse way of putting it but I'm at work ATM and half asleep as usual lol.
As I already said, my argument was not that minorities should be consulted - it was simply an observation that if they were, they would probably not find these things a big issue. What I'm saying is that PC types fan the flames unnecessarily when they take decisions based on what they assume minorities will find offensive - my belief is that they frequently get it wrong anyway, and as can be seen by your response, no offence intended, it becomes the minorities themselves who are the subjects of indignation from other people when they didn't even express opinions on these stupid decisions. Once again, my point is not that minorities should be asked - that's another subject. It's that they're being unfairly targeted as the cause of the stupid decisions.
'All through this short life we give of ourselves, giving and giving and slowly diminishing. Leaving a mark that will gradually fade, ash in the breeze, snowballs in negative.'
That's sort of what I wa trying to say. It's the commisaars that do the asking (or don't and just assume). What right do they have? What minorities are they allegedly asking? I suggest it's the minorities of reduced funding they're thinking about and not what's right for the people trying to make a life here.
I also suggest that the PC types are more racist than any percieved skinhead and do more damage to relations between peoples than any good they think they have.
Last Edit: Apr 26, 2008 10:03:36 GMT by hyppydylan
May the Gods grant me.... The ability to change the things I can, The serenity to accept the things I can't change, And the wisdom to properly hide the bodies of those who P***ed me off
42 is not an answer, it's an error code. The universe is saying 'Error 42: meaning to universe not found'
Yes I would go along with them being racist - if for no other reason than that they seem obsessed by colour and cultural difference. We know such things as different colours and cultures exist, but I think that these peole give much, much more weight to them than is needed, and this inflames situations rather than soothing them.
'All through this short life we give of ourselves, giving and giving and slowly diminishing. Leaving a mark that will gradually fade, ash in the breeze, snowballs in negative.'