Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Aug 2, 2008 11:43:44 GMT
UPDATE 29th March 2017
New article on Lorraine posted at the following link
Is self proclaimed "Psychic Medium" Lorraine Ash a Racist as well as a terrible Psychic?
www.badpsychics.com/2017/03/is-self-proclaimed-psychic-medium.html
I have been speaking with Lorraine Ash on facebook.
She has now officially refused to give me a reading, in fear of course of being exposed.
Jon Donni
I have had a number of complaints
It also seems you have been pimping your silly nomination thing on that spiritual awards thing too, which has pissed a few people off.
Lorraine Ash
lol, if that is my only crime Jon guilty as charged.
But you will find i sent it once only, after my friends did as it happens.
I seen your site and did not feel the need to attack you, and if I piss anyone off they could always block me. I have never forced my views on anyone and in return do not expect you veiws to be forced on myself.
And who are you anyhows for people to coming running saying there is a bad medium on here when not them or yourselves have even met me?
As for ghost hunts, before you start there, if you do not believe you do not go...if you do you do...everyone is entitled to there own views weather people agree or disgree.
In one of these mail the first thing you said was
"I have nothing personallyy against you, i dont know you"
but in e prior you said that "you had been hearing of me and my goings on"
Well just manners tells you you should not approach anyone in that way.
I have nothing to hide at all and if you feel that strongly I sugest you make an appointment before you continue this silly saga.
Jon Donni
You ask who am I for people to come running to, well I am the owner of the UK's largest and most respected sceptical site that concentrates on the actions of "bad psychics"
YOUR industry refuses to police itself, the government refuses to police the industry, and since no one else is actively doing anything then why not us.
We helped make the government remove the pointless FMA 1951.
We really can make a difference.
An article on my site can adversely affect the business of a fraud, just ask Simon Peters! He still blames us for his dwindling audiences, despite the fact I caught him red handed cheating.
We understand the methods that psychics use, including cold and hot reading. And the sad fact is that when someone is conned by someone like you, they have no where to turn, the police dont care, so they come to me and my site.
Psychics prey on the vunerable, you are no more than dealers in grief.
Ask yourself why in 100% of cases where the chance to cheat is removed the psychic will always fail.
How do you explain this complete and utter failure?
Are you truly the worlds first real psychic? I doubt it, but I give you the benefit of the doubt.
Your name is now in the public domain, you sell a service which CAN be measured and tested, if that service is in any way false or you cannot prove it, then you will face the consequences of the law.
£5000 fine, or even a custodial sentence, under the new consumer laws.
So yes we will be investigating you in a fair an unbiased manner, if you are the real deal then you have nothing to worry about, but if there is a single thing you sell which you cannot back up with cold hard proof then the full force of the law will be brought on you.
Also a quick question, why is it that no mediums can spell and all have terrible grammar?
Lorraine Ash
I ahve no idea, but that was rude as on all my site it state that i am dyslexic and have no reason to answer that question.
I have nothing to fear Jon , but how can you say that it would be unbiased then state " Am i the worlds first true psychic"
lol...sorry that amused me.
Ok the thing you are missing a lot of the time is that some of us are real....some of us said quite plainly to the goverment that if they wished to send someone along we, myself included, would gladly read for them. Many of us would be glad if all the fakes were gone and we were finally reconised.
The letters we all recieved fom spiritual conextions indeed said that we had to state wherever we read that it is for entertainment only.
Which i do...againt all of my wishes and personal feelings. Why have we had to do this Jon ? Oh yes as there is always someone that wants to jump on the bandwagon.
It does make me as angry as it does you, but the witch hunt you run is the very reason my nan and others like her hid there entire lives. I will not do that any longer.
I could read for you and you say that everything i say is wrong and i could say it was right. It will always be my word against yours or people like us.
Contact Alex Dyke on isle of wight radio...he gave me a terrible time and announced i was fake. He was very much like you. Untill I got him to sit his bum down and I read fo him. He did go on Air and appologise to me.
Or even David "The Doc " Homes at the same radio. He is also on here and does answer his own mail.
I named half his family and the first thing i asked was is maureen your nan...he was silent.
Hun we are not all fake, dont ask me how i know the things i do as i do not know.
This so called gift never ever comes free....it makes jsut being us impossible.
Lorraine Ash
ps...leave people's grammer and education out of it ok. Perhaps if we had been happier kids we would of been able to do as well at school as you obviously did.
Jon Donni
I left school at 16, maybe you could use your psychic powers to tell me why?
You can spew anecdote after anecdote of how you turned the most hardenned of cynics around, but it means nothing to me.
The one thing I want most in this world is to be proved wrong, I have no interest in lying or stitching you up, if you are the real deal then I would be the happiest man alive.
I will happily accept you are not an "eyes open" medium, and that you genuinely believe what you do is real.
However that does not in itself make what you do real.
You charge people for a service which no medium in history has been able to prove real.
We have all had tough lives but you are using your losses as an excuse to do something highly likely to be fake.
I give you the benefit of the doubt, and when i receive a reading from you, I will be fair and honest.
I have never started a witch hunt on anyone, look on my site and on the big bad psychics list,. I bet there are psychics on there you are convinced are real, am I wrong?
I bet you love people liek Gordon Smith, someone i can show 100% is fake.
Name a real psychic i am likely to have heard of, and i will show you how they are fake.
Give me your own successful reading of someone, a recording anything and I will show you exactly how you did it.
Cold reading can be done subconsciously as well as on purpose
Lorraine Ash
Jon i actually am enjoying reading your mail and your reasoning. It fascinates me.
But I will be honest with you, it is your tendacy to be plain rude that annoys me.
It you have proved Gordon Smith and the likes wrong why even bother with someone like me. You are not open to anything and we are all fake. You state on your site that so and so isnt real...so there is no point in anyone reading for you as you will never believe anything and even if you walked in here and i new your grannies name and her sisters name, described them and told you things only you would know, you would still find a way of saying we cheated you. Yet I know nothing of you that you havent told me here.
No point is there.
I wish you luck in all that you do...but I will be no part of it. You can not say I am fake as I havent read for you, you can mearly state I rrefused to. Thats fine.
I wish to know who appointed you to Police us all ?
Jon Donni
I do not think I am being rude, I think I am being honest and straight to the point.
The reason why we investigate no-name psychics like yourself is that no one else is doing it.
Simple as that.
It is easy to pick on the big name greedy money makers like Gordon, and we do cover them too, but its the small time crooks that alsoneed exposing otherwise they just stay under the radar conning people every day.
Why are you already making excuses for yoruself?
If you were to name my nan and her sister i would be convinced.
You see i have a full geneology history ofmy family, full names, dates of birth, death and so on.
I always carry that with me when i visit a psychic.
That way i can show to them if they are right or wrong.
I also have a diverse ethnic background, so the classic names like Mary, Elizabeth etc simply dont work on me.
It amuses me that you refuse to read for me.
I guess my extensive knowledge of cold reading, tricks psychics use and so on, has scared you off.
I will be sending someone to get a reading off you, and IF you are a fraud we will expose you and your group.
No one appointed me the police, but it is my passion to expose the frauds and find out the truth about these claims.
If you are a fraud, I will do everything within the law to expose you, and stop you. I will report you to trading standards, the ASA and anyone else I can.
But ONLY if you are a fraud.
Your refusal to read for me, already proves you are scared of being found out.
What happens next is completely up to you.
New article on Lorraine posted at the following link
Is self proclaimed "Psychic Medium" Lorraine Ash a Racist as well as a terrible Psychic?
www.badpsychics.com/2017/03/is-self-proclaimed-psychic-medium.html
I have been speaking with Lorraine Ash on facebook.
She has now officially refused to give me a reading, in fear of course of being exposed.
Jon Donni
I have had a number of complaints
It also seems you have been pimping your silly nomination thing on that spiritual awards thing too, which has pissed a few people off.
Lorraine Ash
lol, if that is my only crime Jon guilty as charged.
But you will find i sent it once only, after my friends did as it happens.
I seen your site and did not feel the need to attack you, and if I piss anyone off they could always block me. I have never forced my views on anyone and in return do not expect you veiws to be forced on myself.
And who are you anyhows for people to coming running saying there is a bad medium on here when not them or yourselves have even met me?
As for ghost hunts, before you start there, if you do not believe you do not go...if you do you do...everyone is entitled to there own views weather people agree or disgree.
In one of these mail the first thing you said was
"I have nothing personallyy against you, i dont know you"
but in e prior you said that "you had been hearing of me and my goings on"
Well just manners tells you you should not approach anyone in that way.
I have nothing to hide at all and if you feel that strongly I sugest you make an appointment before you continue this silly saga.
Jon Donni
You ask who am I for people to come running to, well I am the owner of the UK's largest and most respected sceptical site that concentrates on the actions of "bad psychics"
YOUR industry refuses to police itself, the government refuses to police the industry, and since no one else is actively doing anything then why not us.
We helped make the government remove the pointless FMA 1951.
We really can make a difference.
An article on my site can adversely affect the business of a fraud, just ask Simon Peters! He still blames us for his dwindling audiences, despite the fact I caught him red handed cheating.
We understand the methods that psychics use, including cold and hot reading. And the sad fact is that when someone is conned by someone like you, they have no where to turn, the police dont care, so they come to me and my site.
Psychics prey on the vunerable, you are no more than dealers in grief.
Ask yourself why in 100% of cases where the chance to cheat is removed the psychic will always fail.
How do you explain this complete and utter failure?
Are you truly the worlds first real psychic? I doubt it, but I give you the benefit of the doubt.
Your name is now in the public domain, you sell a service which CAN be measured and tested, if that service is in any way false or you cannot prove it, then you will face the consequences of the law.
£5000 fine, or even a custodial sentence, under the new consumer laws.
So yes we will be investigating you in a fair an unbiased manner, if you are the real deal then you have nothing to worry about, but if there is a single thing you sell which you cannot back up with cold hard proof then the full force of the law will be brought on you.
Also a quick question, why is it that no mediums can spell and all have terrible grammar?
Lorraine Ash
I ahve no idea, but that was rude as on all my site it state that i am dyslexic and have no reason to answer that question.
I have nothing to fear Jon , but how can you say that it would be unbiased then state " Am i the worlds first true psychic"
lol...sorry that amused me.
Ok the thing you are missing a lot of the time is that some of us are real....some of us said quite plainly to the goverment that if they wished to send someone along we, myself included, would gladly read for them. Many of us would be glad if all the fakes were gone and we were finally reconised.
The letters we all recieved fom spiritual conextions indeed said that we had to state wherever we read that it is for entertainment only.
Which i do...againt all of my wishes and personal feelings. Why have we had to do this Jon ? Oh yes as there is always someone that wants to jump on the bandwagon.
It does make me as angry as it does you, but the witch hunt you run is the very reason my nan and others like her hid there entire lives. I will not do that any longer.
I could read for you and you say that everything i say is wrong and i could say it was right. It will always be my word against yours or people like us.
Contact Alex Dyke on isle of wight radio...he gave me a terrible time and announced i was fake. He was very much like you. Untill I got him to sit his bum down and I read fo him. He did go on Air and appologise to me.
Or even David "The Doc " Homes at the same radio. He is also on here and does answer his own mail.
I named half his family and the first thing i asked was is maureen your nan...he was silent.
Hun we are not all fake, dont ask me how i know the things i do as i do not know.
This so called gift never ever comes free....it makes jsut being us impossible.
Lorraine Ash
ps...leave people's grammer and education out of it ok. Perhaps if we had been happier kids we would of been able to do as well at school as you obviously did.
Jon Donni
I left school at 16, maybe you could use your psychic powers to tell me why?
You can spew anecdote after anecdote of how you turned the most hardenned of cynics around, but it means nothing to me.
The one thing I want most in this world is to be proved wrong, I have no interest in lying or stitching you up, if you are the real deal then I would be the happiest man alive.
I will happily accept you are not an "eyes open" medium, and that you genuinely believe what you do is real.
However that does not in itself make what you do real.
You charge people for a service which no medium in history has been able to prove real.
We have all had tough lives but you are using your losses as an excuse to do something highly likely to be fake.
I give you the benefit of the doubt, and when i receive a reading from you, I will be fair and honest.
I have never started a witch hunt on anyone, look on my site and on the big bad psychics list,. I bet there are psychics on there you are convinced are real, am I wrong?
I bet you love people liek Gordon Smith, someone i can show 100% is fake.
Name a real psychic i am likely to have heard of, and i will show you how they are fake.
Give me your own successful reading of someone, a recording anything and I will show you exactly how you did it.
Cold reading can be done subconsciously as well as on purpose
Lorraine Ash
Jon i actually am enjoying reading your mail and your reasoning. It fascinates me.
But I will be honest with you, it is your tendacy to be plain rude that annoys me.
It you have proved Gordon Smith and the likes wrong why even bother with someone like me. You are not open to anything and we are all fake. You state on your site that so and so isnt real...so there is no point in anyone reading for you as you will never believe anything and even if you walked in here and i new your grannies name and her sisters name, described them and told you things only you would know, you would still find a way of saying we cheated you. Yet I know nothing of you that you havent told me here.
No point is there.
I wish you luck in all that you do...but I will be no part of it. You can not say I am fake as I havent read for you, you can mearly state I rrefused to. Thats fine.
I wish to know who appointed you to Police us all ?
Jon Donni
I do not think I am being rude, I think I am being honest and straight to the point.
The reason why we investigate no-name psychics like yourself is that no one else is doing it.
Simple as that.
It is easy to pick on the big name greedy money makers like Gordon, and we do cover them too, but its the small time crooks that alsoneed exposing otherwise they just stay under the radar conning people every day.
Why are you already making excuses for yoruself?
If you were to name my nan and her sister i would be convinced.
You see i have a full geneology history ofmy family, full names, dates of birth, death and so on.
I always carry that with me when i visit a psychic.
That way i can show to them if they are right or wrong.
I also have a diverse ethnic background, so the classic names like Mary, Elizabeth etc simply dont work on me.
It amuses me that you refuse to read for me.
I guess my extensive knowledge of cold reading, tricks psychics use and so on, has scared you off.
I will be sending someone to get a reading off you, and IF you are a fraud we will expose you and your group.
No one appointed me the police, but it is my passion to expose the frauds and find out the truth about these claims.
If you are a fraud, I will do everything within the law to expose you, and stop you. I will report you to trading standards, the ASA and anyone else I can.
But ONLY if you are a fraud.
Your refusal to read for me, already proves you are scared of being found out.
What happens next is completely up to you.