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Post by tomroberts on May 31, 2009 19:09:27 GMT
Thats the very one Tom ... One presumes she breaks open a fresh can of Mr Muscle and spring cleans your genetic makeup with a little elbow grease I noticed that Jay Gage, who was told by Mannion about bone marrow moving "more freely" is actually a clairvoyant medium herself. Odd how like attracts like. She also runs an "alternative therapy centre". But it seems no good for back pain! thespiritguides.ning.com/profile/JayGageOpenArmsHaven
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Post by fluffet on May 31, 2009 19:30:51 GMT
thespiritguides.ning.com/forum/topics/gary-mannion-on-bbc3Posted by a Colin West First thing id point out to Colin is - www.celiac.com/categories/Celiac-Disease-Diagnosis%2C-Testing-%26amp%3B-Treatment-%28Gluten%252dFree-Diet%29/You do not cease to be a celiac you simply live with it by following the required diet. A diagnosis by a homoepathist should not be considered an "official" one and begs the question why after 19 years of treatment by presumably traditional medicinal practioners did they refuse to diagnose her as a celiac ? Could it be that this was not infact what she was suffering from anyway ? Following a strict diet may have helped her significantly however the statement that she can now eat anything she likes after seeing Gary leads to to believe that this poor woman will return to her life of suffering very quickly is she continues to ignore the diet she requires to subscribe to for life on the basis of a false belief that she has been "cured" by Mannion .
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Post by fluffet on May 31, 2009 19:34:16 GMT
Incidently Jay Gage claims on the same thread that Colin West is a very good friend of hers ...sigh ....that would make sense as it seems this circular system of practioners and followers merely bolster the belief in each other unfortunatly encouraging others who read their claims to fall to the "what if " scenario and try it themselves .
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Post by tomroberts on Jun 2, 2009 22:20:36 GMT
This post is a couple of weeks old, but it is obvious Gary still has his fans. It sounds almost like a miracle..... skeptic.org.uk/news/2008/901very last post.
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Post by Me on Jun 2, 2009 22:51:09 GMT
Both www.garymannion.com and www.divinemessengers.comhave been down for about a week. It could be down to maintenance, I suppose, but for this long? He has been pretty quiet on his Facebook page too. As has his fan Fleur - whose last comment was to Kendra saying she MIGHT send the photos of the "scarring" on her back, following psychic surgery. I wonder if Kendra received anything? Nope zippo
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Jun 3, 2009 8:46:19 GMT
I expect the scars are still there and nothing to do with Mannion, and she feels a bit stupid for saying that. Or there are no scars and all he did was scratch her back leaving some marks which she thought were scars
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Post by tomroberts on Jun 3, 2009 20:18:34 GMT
Incidently Jay Gage claims on the same thread that Colin West is a very good friend of hers ...sigh ....that would make sense as it seems this circular system of practioners and followers merely bolster the belief in each other unfortunatly encouraging others who read their claims to fall to the "what if " scenario and try it themselves . Jay has responded quite aggressively. I think she actually contradicts herself a couple of times there. The latest... thespiritguides.ning.com/forum/topics/gary-mannion-on-bbc3?id=2644468%3ATopic%3A46475&page=4#comments
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Post by tomroberts on Jun 4, 2009 19:47:43 GMT
Well, the 4 posts critical of Mannion have disappeared and the thread locked. What an "open minded" place it is. ;D
Love and Light - what a joke.
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Post by fluffet on Jun 4, 2009 20:49:37 GMT
Sorry just caught up with this thread Tom , Jay certainly seems a bit "miffed" to say the least ! I cant see how she can claim the bone marrow quote was taken of context ? She posted it for all to see using the context and wording she did , it was merely repeated here.
And her comment that she posted that she was skeptical of the treatment at first was partly what surprised me about her post considering she herself appears to be part of an alternative therapy service i found it strange that she made no mention of this or her involvement in this field when commenting on a thread such as the one she did . If nothing else you might have thought someone in the field would have mentioned it when commenting on someone else offering an alternative treatment ?
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Post by tomroberts on Jun 4, 2009 20:57:01 GMT
Sorry just caught up with this thread Tom , Jay certainly seems a bit "miffed" to say the least ! I cant see how she can claim the bone marrow quote was taken of context ? She posted it for all to see using the context and wording she did , it was merely repeated here. And her comment that she posted that she was skeptical of the treatment at first was partly what surprised me about her post considering she herself appears to be part of an alternative therapy service i found it strange that she made no mention of this or her involvement in this field when commenting on a thread such as the one she did . If nothing else you might have thought someone in the field would have mentioned it when commenting on someone else offering an alternative treatment ? I couldn't see how her comment was taken "out of context" either. Now, there is her reply to a post that has been deleted. Doesn't make sense. But then that is what we'd expect, isn't it? Just to clarify, it was rainbows of spiritlove ("sallyo") who first made a critical post on thespiritguides. Someone else, whose username I can't remember, posted twice in support. All deleted. TR
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Post by farsideofthemoon on Jun 4, 2009 21:16:27 GMT
Incidently Jay Gage claims on the same thread that Colin West is a very good friend of hers ...sigh ....that would make sense as it seems this circular system of practioners and followers merely bolster the belief in each other unfortunatly encouraging others who read their claims to fall to the "what if " scenario and try it themselves . Spot on - you summed it up perfectly there.
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Post by farsideofthemoon on Jun 4, 2009 21:18:47 GMT
I watched a clip earlier on YouTube of a medium doing blatent cold reading (and doing it badly) at Jay Gage's spiritual centre.
On their webpage they have a load of photos with orbs in them.
They are complete idiots.
But having said that, they have raised over £1000 for MIND, so not all bad.
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Post by tomroberts on Jun 6, 2009 21:28:59 GMT
Well, it looks like the entire thread about the Mannion film has been removed from thespiritsguide forum. I wonder why.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Jul 29, 2016 8:29:01 GMT
Well always nice to see a fraud finally admitting they were fooled by another fraud, it is all very very funny for us skeptical folk who were right all along as usual!
The article in Psychic News -August 2016 is headed: MEDIUM JAY GAGE RECOUNTS HOW SHE WAS DUPED BY 'MATERIALISED SPIRIT' "I'M DEVASTATED AND ANGRY TO REALISE MANNION WAS POSING AS MY DEAD FATHER"
I am a medium and run my own spiritual development and training business - Inspiral - as well as a not-for-profit spiritual centre, The Haven, in Grays, Essex.
I like to think I am fairly astute, having spent most of my adult time dealing with people on both sides of life!
I employed Mannion to work on one occasion, on a paranormal night, where his attitude and behaviour were not those that we would expect from an Inspiral group leader. He also demonstrated psychic surgery at the Haven on two occasions, but on the whole I did not take to him on a personal level, and I did not offer him any further work.
However, earlier this year I began to hear quite astonishing reports about his physical séances and, because of my interest in physical mediumship, I attended twice.
The first time, he was fastened to the chair using cable ties (which I now know can be doctored to make them easy to slip off) and was sitting in a small tent. There were several items scattered around the room, including a small table, trumpet and balls.
Sitters were searched at the door to the séance room and were told that they were not to leave without strict permission.
We were seated on a semi-circle of chairs surrounding the tent. Some people were asked to move to different seats without explanation.
Soon after the séance commenced, the tent began to shake violently. This was quite unnerving - even to someone with my experience of Spirit. I felt something was not right - it felt hostile and angry. I was concerned as to what was in the tent with Gary. Of course, I now realise the shaking was for dramatic effect to conceal the very earthbound process of removing his restraints and leaving the tent.
Objects started to move
After some more loud singing, the evening began in earnest. There was some appropriately spiritual waffle from one of Gary's "spirit team" who had a preposterous Irish accent, and then objects started to move around the room and luminous items were paraded in front of the sitters.
I then experienced a "spirit man" standing in front of me. He appeared to be naked - certainly his top half - and he took my hand and ran it over his chest and belly. He felt cool to the touch and a bit slimy.
The second séance was far more damaging to me. The process was exactly as above, but then a disembodied voice asked for: William - I have a William here or Bill (my father) He wants to talk to Jackie (my real name) He says he died two weeks before his birthday (true) Your birthday is the 12th of April (true) He wants to give you something to add to your collection
I was then aware of someone standing in front of me. They took both my hands and I was under the impression that it was my Dad. I was extremely emotional, as it was a recent loss and I idolised my father, so to have him here with me once again was beyond my wildest dreams.
My Dad then stroked my hair and face, and touched my knees ("he wants to give you healing"). I am a wheelchair user so do have pain in my legs.
He then took both my hands and placed a small object into them, pressing my hands back together over the object, and the voice told me it was to add to my collection and not to look until I got outside.
I was sobbing, and indeed several other sitters were also in tears as it was such a moving experience. The séance then closed as before.
Outside of the séance room, I looked in my hand, and there was the tiniest white feather. I have a strong connection with feathers, as there were several strange occurrences with them during the time of my Dad's passing. So it was a totally appropriate gift. I took it home very carefully, and had it made into a pendant.
I now know that it was Gary posing as my father and I am devastated. Not a day has gone by without my thinking about the incident, and feeling so angry at being cheated in such a cruel way.
Gary could have got the information given by "Spirit" from Facebook, which I am very active on, and I also think that he targeted me specifically (no-one else had anything like this in either séance I attended) as I have a large network of clients and contacts in the spiritual arena, due to running my business and working as a medium.
When I was sent the video clips of Gary cheating I immediately engaged him in a Facebook chat. [...] As you can see, he admits to having left the tent at the Banyan, but not at the séance I attended! He was very evasive and I had to become quite repetitive in my questioning to get him to reply truthfully.
I am so angry and disgusted with Gary's behaviour. I do not want to see this man giving séances again - he is a fraud and a very, very cruel fraud; preying on others to boost his own ego.
I am also horrified at the damage he has done to the Movement as a whole and to physical mediumship in particular. It is disgusting that he feels this was appropriate. Money and ego. Hateful.
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