Post by bobdezon on Apr 13, 2007 11:08:37 GMT
I hope you can see the contradiction in this statement Bob.
I'm sure you are aware that the burden of proof lies with the believer, science on many levels has disproved the literal account of "The Flood", not that it really had to seeing as a reasonably well educated 10 year old could disprove this by sheer logic alone.
I'm sure you are aware that the burden of proof lies with the believer, science on many levels has disproved the literal account of "The Flood", not that it really had to seeing as a reasonably well educated 10 year old could disprove this by sheer logic alone.
I think you are paraphrasing a bit there but I understand what you mean, however there is no contradiction in my former statement. I personally have looked at evidence for noahs ark and found it lacking. The logistics alone of travelling the world collecting 10 million species of animal and their associated foodstores is a task that would take a supernatural budget.
There is however historical evidence of a flood in that region which did kill a lot of people, there was an ancient Babylonian king who commandeered a supply ship and rode it out. This is probably the origin of the flood myth.
And these nut jobs have been defeated in court again and again, I have total confidence that the majority of Americans will continue to reject these backward ideas, hopefully the rest of them will wake up too.
Although there have been several defeats to this crazed ideology there have also been several victories too Im afraid, like just recently in Atlanta georgia.
archives.cnn.com/2002/EDUCATION/09/26/creationism.evolution/
If this situation is not monitored and fought every step of the way or just ignored, well Martin Niemöller said it best I think.
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
I can't personally comment on Rik's' shows, I have never heard any of them. I will still however stand by my view that this type of publicity simply gives more power to these idiots, even if Rik is the symbol of logic and reasoning himself! Why not report or deal with *real* scientists doing *real* and very important work instead? Why not give them the valuable air time?
So you basically just object to media outlets/publishers having people on their shows that espouse ideas you cannot agree with? I think thats the whole point of debating though isnt it?
Rik does frequently deal with "real scientists" on his shows also, he has interviewed a lot of people over the years. He must offer equal airtime though to people with differing views otherwise he is no longer an objective journalist but simply hosting an egotistical rant show. You should really listen to some of his podcasts they are very entertaining.
Bob, the information you are talking about has already been published and available for these people to review! It doesn't make the slightest difference , its *highly* unlikely that they will ever change their views, how can anybody seriously believe that a radio show or website is going to change the view of somebody who , despite all of the available evidence, still thinks that the earth is 6,000 years old or Noah actually existed? All this type of publicity does is enforce the delusion.
Ok because something has been covered by someone somewhere before on any subject does not mean that is where the flow of information should stop dead, how many people have wrote a biography of JFK or Elvis? People still find new ways of disseminating information and new audiences can be reached because of that.
If someone believes in anything and they are presented with information to the contrary they have three choices they adjust their viewpoint to match or they twist that information to fit their already existing view, or they discount and/or ignore it completely. There is always the possibility that a person will eventually "get it" but they never will unless opposed.
People who are believers can come to websites like BadPsychics, are shown how psychics can defraud and coldread etc and faced with this information they can change their mind on their original position, I think weve all seen that happen at least once. Publicity is a two edged sword though, it can reinforce or destroy a position, personal and/or public opinion usually see to that.