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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Nov 1, 2010 13:13:06 GMT
I love it how woo folk can never spell psychic properly
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Post by star on Nov 2, 2010 13:33:41 GMT
Actually, I'm starting to feel sorry for some of the people who obviously have a vested interest in the show as they are getting pretty upset at the comments. But hey, I guess you are going to have to sift through the likes and dislikes when you put a FB page up asking people what they thought. Me? I hope they don't bring back MH. It insulted out intelligence- but I do hope Living make a new paranormal format. Not live shows, but longer term investigations.
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Post by biggles on Nov 4, 2010 20:53:22 GMT
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Post by morganp on Nov 4, 2010 21:00:44 GMT
Hi Biggles,
Excellent, informative and factually credible piece you've written via your link. Good work, very good work. A karma from me.
morganp
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Post by fluffet on Nov 7, 2010 22:29:08 GMT
BShistorian/Biggles I used a link to a previous piece of yours in my far less eloquent article about PI Live a while back and I only wish I'd come across your website sooner...this article is exactly the kind of thing I really find valuable because it explodes the rather sensationalist tales that are passed off as fact in many such shows of this ilk. Like I'd assume most of the viewers I am not by any means well versed in the history of Castle Menzies, I may at least have had the benefit of knowing the proper pronunciation of the place without the requirement for it to be replaced by the anglified version "for the purposes of tonight" incase my head exploded at the complexities involved in saying it correctly but when it comes down to it I will happily admit I would have greatly appreciated someone with the relevant factual knowledge on the show to aid me in getting to the bottom of what I felt even in my limited knowledge were "historical facts" that seemed embelished, sensationalised and hugely more like folklore and local legend. Instead as pleasant and easy going as Ashley Cowie was I felt instead I was getting just regurgitated sound bites that neither backed up nor exploded the veracity of what often amount to the equvialent of ancient urban legends often quoted by those at a location or involved in an investigation who want to "up the atmosphere ante" This is where your article stepped in and gave me the evidenced answers to my assumptions gut feelings and guess work as to the validity of what they were claiming which I really appreciate. If I heard the words "baby burning room" one more time I think I may have chucked myself on the nearest fireplace .Somehow repeatedly saying the "chilling" "horrifying" "horrendous" then adding "baby burning room" seemed like gilding an already particularly obviously reaction heavy Lily that hardly needed the labouring as I would hope that most viewers would already be quite capable of associating killing infants in such a gruesome and despicable way might just be worthy of their scorn. What I WANTED was someone to step in and say , yes your quite right horrible and all that but lets just take a minute to see if the title given to that room was in anyway justified or factually accurate before we shoot off the paranormal mark into hailing wailing Ovili (is there a plural ?) as voicing the cries of the innocent we don't even know existed. I also feel a little factual research and insight here such as your own might have illustrated the obvious psychological influence this name and alledged practise had on the investigators present who within minutes of being in the room (helped along by a malfunctioning speak and spell) started hypothesising along the lines of ...babies murdered in fireplace, babies can't speak, babies are using electronic maguffins to voice their cries, switch it off....switch it offfffff. Had the room been called "the baby bathing room" I doubt they would have been so spooked or so quick to translate the Dalek like electronic high pitched shreiks as something in anyway indicative of a dead infant trying to communicate...or indeed if they had the facts available to them that might have allowed them to question an be less ready to jump of the bandwagon of horror the name implied. Im sure such dark episodes were not unheard of entirely but I fail to allow that to affect the facts available to a specific incidence in a specific location such as this one...it's the old " it could have happened" thinking so loved of the horror writer against the "but did it happen" more loved of the real historian. Thanks for putting some of the other claims re the history there in a far better perspective and in historical context than was managed in the show. Whilst I appreciate they didn't have the time frame to go into detail on every single historical aspect I do wish they had used the time they did have available to at least give it some base in fact other than those related by the curator and a few paranormal investigator websites.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Nov 7, 2010 23:22:38 GMT
Fluffet, are you gonna do a final write up of the show?
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Post by biggles on Nov 10, 2010 21:00:20 GMT
Thanks for the compliments guys - I often think I need an editor but sometimes these things need the detail to show up just how lacking they are.
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Post by jemand on Nov 16, 2010 19:08:21 GMT
Could this possibly mean ,that we no longer have to put up with any more of this type of show. Or, as we post, are there some other nitwits sitting in a room somewhere trying to come up with another format. I'm all for a Most Farted live event. I think this captures the essence of all these shows very well.
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Post by antmania on Nov 20, 2010 23:44:18 GMT
Question is. Is it finished because they never faked anything and so the show was mind numbingly boring and should this then be a reason to criticise it? Is it then any wonder why MH developed into the farce it became after the first series?
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Post by morganp on Nov 21, 2010 9:59:01 GMT
Good point Ant. I don't believe they faked anything and purposely stayed clear of anything that could align them to MH on that score. Expectations for P Invest Live were very high due to the pre-publicity and hype that Living had put out virally. Any investigation if carried out properly is probably going to show (in valid evidential terms) diddly which indeed is why MH increasingly resorted to artificially created 'happenings'.
morganp
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Post by The Legendary Barb on Nov 21, 2010 10:18:29 GMT
Thats very true Morganp, as there is nothing there to start with,they cannot in all honesty find anything.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Nov 22, 2010 20:02:56 GMT
Question is. Is it finished because they never faked anything and so the show was mind numbingly boring and should this then be a reason to criticise it? Is it then any wonder why MH developed into the farce it became after the first series? It wasn't boring because they didn't fake anything. It was boring because the people on the show had no charisma, personality or anything about them that made it watchable. As for them not faking anything, well it was pretty obvious that Team Impacts Chloe was pushing the glass about. Also PIL lied about one of the investigators being alone when outside on an investigation, blatantly being filmed by a cameraman, they tried to claim it was a motorised camera before admitting it was a man
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Post by jemand on Nov 23, 2010 14:55:19 GMT
Good point Ant. I don't believe they faked anything and purposely stayed clear of anything that could align them to MH on that score. Expectations for P Invest Live were very high due to the pre-publicity and hype that Living had put out virally. Any investigation if carried out properly is probably going to show (in valid evidential terms) diddly which indeed is why MH increasingly resorted to artificially created 'happenings'. morganp But one might ask why these shows still find their audience. Even if they do fake it, its not exactly pantswetting suspense to hear some tapping. When I first watched MH I watched it because I was interested in the places they visited, maybe hear some good ghost stories, but they failed to deliver even in that aspect. The worst trick was when good old Derek was pushed from his bench by a ghastly phantom. He spent seconds looking around to make sure he wouldn't hurt himself before he actually fell backwards. But its even worse with GHost Hunters these days. In their first series they debunked nearly everything and that was interesting to watch. Then the smell of the green paper seemed to have got the better of them. It's worst when they actually have something move. Stop motion effects that would even make a silent movie director from the 20ies cringe. I have to say, my sympathy for people buying into that kind of stuff is severly limited. These are probably the same, who answer every spam mail with their full bank details and credit card numbers.
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