Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Nov 10, 2010 10:09:53 GMT
Originally Published - 2010/6/18 i127.Report this post to Admin please.com/albums/p134/JonDonnis/n1626589962_4980.jpg[/img]In what must be one of the dumber episodes of his life, and boy has he made a few, self proclaimed psychic Mr Billy Roberts decided to make an unprovoked verbal attack which was in the context clearly aimed at me.
Now usually when a psychic verbally attacks me it is because I have exposed them, but due to Billys total lack of credibility within skeptical circles or indeed amongst some of his own psychic peers and in the absence of any real noticable career, he has been pretty much ignored by the good folk here at BadPsychics. Afterall Billy as everyone knows as some might say could be considered as little more than a Derek Acorah wannabe. Hell it even took him 20 years to even attempt to come out of Dereks shadow by going on Most Haunted. Might this have been because Karl Beattie thought it would be funny to have him on just to annoy Acorah?
Anyway I digress. The story starts on Ciaran O'Keeffes facebook wall. Where like any good "skeptic" I was questioning Ciaran about his online parapsychology course......
The point of the course is to promote critical thinking, although the fact that most of the responses were from blind followers of Ciaran did kind of spoil things, as I tried to point out.
Anyway, out of nowhere along swooped in Billy Roberts, and with him a verbal attack on me, well I assumed it was on me as anyone might in the context it was made.
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Now since I wasn't about at the time to reply, along stepped in long time BadPsychics admin, expert and all round good guy, Mr Bob Dezon.
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Now, me being me I had to reply, the problem was that Billy despite being a psychic made a few mistakes.
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And there you have it. Billy Roberts has apparently due to the implication and context it was made, verbally attacked the founder and creator of BadPsychics, who in fact is NOT me. How could a real psychic make such a mistake?
Granted his insults aimed at me where not quite on the "Joe Power Scale of Idiocy" but were pretty close.
Either way Billy has finally earned his way onto the Big Bad Psychics list, and what will please him even more than that, is due to the law of the Alphabet he will be placed on the list higher than Derek Acorah!
Word just in, Derek Acorah is changing his name to "Aderek Acorah" nah just kidding.
Anyway we will have more on this breaking story as it happens.
Questions: Will Billy Roberts dig an even bigger hole for himself? Will Billy Roberts consult his crystal ball and see that taking me on only means exposing himself?
By Jon Donnis
Note: BadPsychics was created in 2004 by Nik Donnis, in 2005 Jon Donnis took over the reigns when Nik decided to move abroad.
Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Nov 10, 2010 10:11:23 GMT
Originally Published - 2010/6/20 As you will already know self proclaimed psychic, Billy Roberts recently decided to make a name for himself by verbally attacking the founder of BadPsychics.
Well since I published his poorly observed and frankly sickening rants, I have litterally been swamped by emails from people supporting me, but mostly by people saying "who is Billy Roberts?". You see it would appear he is not as famous as he would like to think, but many many years ago Billy did have some fame, and he was even featured on the excellent and much missed show "In Bed With Medinner" hosted by the legendary Bob Mills.
This clip had been long lost but it recent resurfaced on Youtube, and thought you guys would like a look.
Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Nov 10, 2010 10:18:18 GMT
The following is a recap of some racist comments that were sent to me. These comments were sent from someone using the contact us form on the BadPsychics website, Whoever made them did so under the name and email address of Billy Roberts
However some doubt was brought up on the legitimacy of the emails, Billy Roberts himself denied sending the comments.
The only way I would be able to know if he had sent them or not would be to compare the IP address with an email Billy Roberts had sent to Ciaran O'Keeffe at roughly the same time as when I received the racist emails.
Originally Ciaran stated he was against racism of any kind and wanted to get to the bottom of this.
I forwarded Ciaran the racist email, and also the IP address that it came from so he could compare to emails he had received from Billy himself.
I asked Ciaran to forward me one of the emails he had received from Billy Roberts so I could compare the IPs myself and either confirm or deny that Billy was the sender of the racist emails.
At this point Ciaran O'Keeffe stopped replying to my emails, he ignored all attempts of mine to contact him. Why? is anyones guess.
On an unrelated note here is a photo of Ciaran and Billy at a book signing for the book they released together, Ciaran and Billy also are currently touring and doing shows together. i127.Report this post to Admin please.com/albums/p134/JonDonnis/BillyandDrCiaranOKeeffeatbooksigning.jpg[/img]
Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Nov 10, 2010 10:22:16 GMT
Originally Published - 2010/6/19 As you will know if you read my previous article, Billy Roberts decided to verbally attack the founder of BadPsychics, as he assumed that was me.
Well now someone claiming to be Billy has threatened me with legal action for replying to his hateful comments, and also told me to "crawl back to where you came from. You should never have came to the UK, you're most not welcome. Go back home"
Shocked? You bet I was. I am not usually one to cry racist, but come on, that is pretty hateful stuff.
His full email is below.
Billy Roberts submitted the following Information: Email billyroberts01@########.net Comments
This has been brought to my attention. Let me say you are true vermin John, Nik, whoever you are. Actually I have been fed details in relation to your character John.
Get off our cases and crawl back to where you came from. You should never have came to the UK, you're most not welcome. Go back home or get your facts straight.
I may report you to my lawyer for not giving me adequate time to rebut your falsehoods contained herewith and showings off. Big man are we? Then show yourself.
Crawl out of your hole and stop perverting the net with your lies and get a real job. Kindly remove and refrain from publishing any further 'articles' in relation to myself or you will be hearing from my lawyer forthwith.
Billy Roberts.
Lets make something clear. Billy Roberts was first to verbally attack myself and BadPsychics.
Here is a quick reminder of what he said.
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Firstly let me make it clear, I allow ANYONE to rebut anything I say, we have an open forum that anyone can join and post on. And I invite Billy to reply to his hearts content.
I also would be happy to publish any article criticising myself and/or this website written by Billy in full, unedited on this site.
But first I would like to reply to this email, if we are to assume it is correct and sent from Billy.
If someone has hacked Billys email or tried to fool me into believing Billy was behind the attacks i still think I should respond to what was said.
I will do so here in public so that people can make up their own minds as to the character and motivitations of the person who wrote it.
This has been brought to my attention. Let me say you are true vermin John, Nik, whoever you are. Actually I have been fed details in relation to your character John.
My name is Jon, most people know that if you are a psychic, I would assume you would know who you was talking to.
As for who is feeding you details about my character, again if you are a psychic you dont need to be fed details?
Get off our cases and crawl back to where you came from. You should never have came to the UK, you're most not welcome. Go back home or get your facts straight.
To go back to where I came from? You mean Birmingham? I was born and raised in Birmingham, dont let my brown skin confuse you. My passport is British, and I am a British citizen.
So although you claim I am not welcome in the UK, well I didn't have much choice in the matter, my ENGLISH born mother decided to give birth to me in the UK after she was forced out of Cyprus along with my father by Turkish forces who invaded and occupied the country.
For the record the British government stood by and let the Turks invade.
As for going back home, well I do not actually live in the UK any more, so for you to tell me to go back home that would mean me moving back to Birmingham!
If you mean my ethnic home of Cyprus, I would love nothing more than to move to my "home" unfortunately even after 36 years Turkish forces still occupy my home, so I cant go home even if I wanted to.
You can thank YOUR British government for that.
I may report you to my lawyer for not giving me adequate time to rebut your falsehoods contained herewith and showings off. Big man are we? Then show yourself.
Oh please do report me to your lawyer, and we will see what happens. Making racist comments would go down great in a court of law I am sure. As for falsehoods I supposedly made, erm you are the one who started off by making false comments, and despite claiming to be psychic you seem to have no idea who I am, where I am from, where I was born. You didn't even get the right person when insulting me!
I look forward to hearing from your lawyer. For the record I repeat that I am happy to publish in full any article you wish to write criticising me or this website.
As for showing off, I really don't need to show off. At 6 foot 2" tall, dark olive tan, 31 years of age, one look at me tells the girls all they need to know.
Crawl out of your hole and stop perverting the net with your lies and get a real job.
What lies are these, would you like to elaborate? If there are any lies on this site then please do point them out to me so I can remove them immediately and offer a full and frank apology to whomever they were directed.
Kindly remove and refrain from publishing any further 'articles' in relation to myself or you will be hearing from my lawyer forthwith.
Billy Roberts.
You attacked me first, I am only replying which surely is my right as a human being.
If you attack me, and make racist comments, threaten me with lawyers do you really think that is going to make me shut up?
So there you have it guys. Make up your own mind as to the motivation of someone who decides to attack me and make racist comments.
We will continue to investigate the origin of these attacks, and get to the bottom of it. And whatever we find, we will publish.
For the record through second hand reports from someone associated to Billy Roberts, he has claimed that it was not he who sent the email. We have tried to contact Billy directly but have had no reply as of yet.
If it is found to be that it was not Billy Roberts who sent the racist email, then we will happily remove Billys name from this article.
Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Nov 10, 2010 10:23:34 GMT
Originally Published - 2010/6/21 i127.Report this post to Admin please.com/albums/p134/JonDonnis/1-2042.jpg[/img] I have to admit that the vast majority of people who have contacted me regarding the racially motivated comments directed at me by someone claiming to be psychic Billy Roberts have been positive. I have had various mediums contact me saying how very disappointed they are in someone using racism as a method of attack.
But I was very surprised when just recently I received an email from someone claiming to be from the SNU Affiliated Cardiff Spiritualist Church. At first I expected it to be just another email of support, telling me that not all mediums think like that, and that I should just ignore such abuse.
But instead I got another hate filled rant.
I contacted the Cardiff Spiritualist Church for an official response, but so far have had no reply.
Here is the email I received.
I have left it unedited, so you can see the level of intelligence and literacy I have to deal with.
silky legs submitted the following Information: Company cardiff S N U spiritualist church Location cardiff Comments
i speak at cardiff snu spiritulist church and am a loyal fan of billy and I am disturbed by what you are putting him thru. billy is a gentleman unlike U. U R human trash at its worst kind below that of the sewers. U need exposing 4 wot U R. POMPUS MAN. U shud take is advice and hop on the next ferry home and leave billy to wot he does best . he helps people and helps love ones talk to there love ones who have passed over to the astral plain. U R sick bitter and twisted. GET A LIFE u FRAUD. I will tell all my friends to petition to get this sick perverted site shut down and reported to the internet watch foundation U NEED INVESTIGATING BY THE PLOICE u immature COWARD
As before I will respond on here.
i speak at cardiff snu spiritulist church and am a loyal fan of billy and I am disturbed by what you are putting him thru.
Note they say what I am putting him through. I would like to remind this person that Billy attacked me first, well the founder of BadPsychics, and then an email was sent that alledged to have been sent from his email address in his name that was racist in its content
I think if anyone is being put through upset and stress it is me. I am only publishing what has been said to me as is my right.
billy is a gentleman unlike U. U R human trash at its worst kind below that of the sewers.
So now this person has to resort to simple insults. I think this speaks volumes of the kind of person who supports Billy that their only thoughts are to "attack attack attack"
U need exposing 4 wot U R. POMPUS MAN.
Definition of Pomus: arrogant, snobby, stuck up
Well, i can accept someone calling me arrogant. Snobby however no, I am proud to say I left school at 16, worked a hard labourous job, never been able to afford a fancy car or big house, I am proud of my working class routes, so snobby nope dont agree with that. Stuck up? Again no, I do not class myself as better than anyone else.
U shud take is advice and hop on the next ferry home and leave billy to wot he does best .
Ok, this is proof that whoever this person is did not bother to read my previous reply to Billy. I will repeat myself, I was born in Birmingham, to an English mother. I do NOT currently live in the UK. So yet more racism from someone who claims to be connected to spiritualism.
he helps people and helps love ones talk to there love ones who have passed over to the astral plain. U R sick bitter and twisted.
Billy has never proven any ability to talk the dead.
I think it would be sick and twisted to for any person to pretend to talk the dead and then ask for money to do so.
I only ask that people prove their extraordinary claims, what is so sick, bitter and twisted about that?
GET A LIFE u FRAUD. I will tell all my friends to petition to get this sick perverted site shut down and reported to the internet watch foundation U NEED INVESTIGATING BY THE PLOICE u immature COWARD
I have a life thank you, a nice happy life, I dont see how I am a fraud.
As for being investigated by the "PLOICE" or even the police, there is nothing to investigate.
In fact I would be well within my legal rights to report the racist abuse to the police.
The question now remains is racism tolerated within the SNU? Is it just the odd few? And does the SNU Affiliated Cardiff Spiritualist Church condone racist comments? We will wait and see
Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Nov 10, 2010 10:26:05 GMT
Official Statement
As you will know I recently received a very serious racially motivated email, after publishing this email for the world to see the vast majority of people spoke out against said racism. Unfortunately some people who did not read the racist comments, but instead decided to join in with them. I received an email message from someone claiming to be a regular speaker at the SNU Affiliated Cardiff First Spiritualist Church.
I approached the Church directly for an official comment.
I have now been in correspondance with said Church and have an official response from them, which I would like to publish here.
Dear Mr Donnis On behalf of the SNU affiliated Cardiff First Spiritualist Church I would like to let you know that we do not condone the views of the person that appeared on your BadPsychics site regarding Billy Roberts.
I can assure you that the church computer was not used in anyway to send this persons view.
As the elected President of the church I can say that it is the views of this person and not the views of the church.
In fact it sickens me to think that someone would say that they speak on behalf of the church.
I feel that the church is being used to spread this malicious form of abuse.
Let me once again reiterate that this i nothing to do with the church, only the work of someone using our name to hide behind
Regards Phil Spillane Elected President - SNU affiliated Cardiff First Spiritualist Church
To Phil Spillane, I would like to thank you for your speedy reply, and I hope your investigation into who sent the email to me goes well.
I am glad to hear that the SNU affiliated Cardiff First Spiritualist Church does not condone such racist comments.
By Jon Donnis
A bad ass who will beat you like he's using the fists of god.
Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Nov 10, 2010 10:28:06 GMT
Originally Published - 2010/6/22 In what has been a much discussed ongoing story here at BP and outwith, the racially motivated attacks on myself, I am pleased to say that even the very people we have critiqued the most on this site have come out publicly to speak out against racism.
We now have official statements from Psychic Medium Colin Fry, former Most Haunted medium Chris Conway, and believe it or not, the man the legend, Mr Derek Acorah!
For the record I asked self proclaimed Skeptic and Most Haunted Parapsychologist Ciaran O'Keeffe for his comments regarding the racist attacks and he has refused to comment. Despite as previously discussed in my earlier article being in possession of an email that could prove or disprove Billy Roberts involvement, Ciaran has now cut off all contact with me, ignores any and all attempts of contact.
Ciaran will be touring with Billy Roberts later in the year, so you can make of that what you will.
Firstly an official statement from Colin Fry
I am sorry to read that you have been subject to racial prejudice, having had many years of homophobic attacks I can understand how you feel.
This is of course unacceptable it's a sad fact that if you provoke debate and are antagonistic in doing so! Someone will always lash back below the belt, this however does not make such action acceptable, all forms of prejudice are unacceptable.
Colin Fry
Former Most Haunted medium Chris Conway
I will say that I will NOT back any racist comments or views by anyone, psychic or not. I am totally against racism and bullying of any sort.
Chris Conway
And Derek Acorah I was appalled to hear of the racism that had been levelled against you.
There is no room for racism or bullying in any sector of society, least of all when a person is voicing an opinion that may be does not sit well with the recipient.
I, more than most, have been scrutinised under the BadPsychics spotlight.
Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Nov 10, 2010 10:29:36 GMT
Originally Published - 2010/6/24
On the 19th of June 2010, I received a racially motivated email from someone claiming to be psychic Billy Roberts. Billy Roberts email address and name were used to send the email.
However there has been some doubt brought up with regards to the legitimacy of the email I received. Therefore I have undergone a thorough investigation into the origin of said email.
We are about 5% of our way through the server logs for that day, which hopefully will go a long way to solving the mystery.
In the meantime although Billy Roberts has totally ignored any of my attempts to contact him, he did however make a comment regarding this on the facebook wall of his very good friend and work collegue, Dr Ciaran O'Keeffe.
If we are to believe that this is genuinely Billy Roberts facebook account that has posted this, then this is what he has to say.
For all those who have seen the accusations made against me by Jon Doni: I am not a racist, and most certainly did not send Jon Doni the email he allegedly received. My mother was German, my father was Jewish (I am part Jewish), My oldest son is French and my youngest son is Jewish. My niece is married to an Iranian... (Muslim.) I am quite sure they would have something to say if I was a racist.
Interesting to note how Billy continually decides to spell my name wrongly.
However if Billy is proven to be correct, and I cannot catagorically prove that it was he who sent the email, then I will happily apologise.
I have no problem admitting when I am wrong, and I am happy to do so publicly if the need arises.
When I first received the racist email, this was just a day after Billy had posted the following attack on myself on facebook i127.Report this post to Admin please.com/albums/p134/JonDonnis/Billy1.png[/img]
There is no doubt that this was Billy who posted this.
So the question remains, who sent the follow up racist email if not Billy Roberts?
And if someone wanted to send me racist comments, why not do it anonymously, why use Billy Roberts name and personal email address to do so?
This ever fascinating story continues.....
A bad ass who will beat you like he's using the fists of god.
hmmmmm billy roberts the table tipper of liverpool theatre clearly caught on tape pushing the table off the stage i dnt think we was meant to see that angle though
;D thank u for the welcome and yes its on youtube somewhere .he actualy came on the mh forum when it was going then and tried to deffend himself saying he didnt but someone posted the link showing him and infact i was actualy watching the live when he did it ,it was when they was in liverpool at the theatre onstage when him yvette lurch and uncle fester was doing table tipping and the camera switched from front view to side view a mistake on their half and u clearly see him push the table off the stage i will see if i can find it and post it if its allowed
;D i found it it was at the gourmont theatre notice billy roberts at the side of yvette but its not the angle i saw it from it seems to have disapeared but i will keep looking but u clearly see him pushing the table over
sorry i must have missunderstood i thought u was looking for footage of billy roberts he was on most haunted as i said in an earlier post as a medium and did push the table off the stage have i got it wrong here is a longer version from another angle
From the email : "This has been brought to my attention." What has?? Or are they referring to your facebook response?
And shouldn't this say OUR if you call yourself British : "You can thank YOUR British government for that.". I say this as someone with mixed heritage.
Post by supersonicburst on Nov 24, 2013 21:21:14 GMT
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An excellent response, marred by the silly sexist comment at the end. I'm not sure why Dezon resorted to a misogynistic dig at housewives/stay-at-home Mothers to make his point? 'Hausfrau' is frequently used as a derogatory slur against Mums who stay at home to look after their children and home. Where as, those who go back to work are slagged off for dumping their children on others to look after. Poor old Mums, eh? They can't do right for doing wrong.
Back on point, from my experience, people who believe in mediums come from varied backgrounds, and are not just 'hausfraus.' In fact, I know quite a few 'Hausfraus' who are skeptics.
I don't know if Billy Roberts made those disgusting racist remarks or not, but if he did then he should be ashamed of himself. Everyone has a right to an opinion, but when people are throwing racist and sexist/misogynistic insults back and forth simply for having different opinions to each other then I can't help but feel that it's not only pathetic, but extremely "unintelligent" too...