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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Oct 2, 2007 11:03:03 GMT
If it works for you go for it is my motto, for alteration of mental states it could have a placebo effect. However I wouldnt recomend it for a broken leg etc, for actual phiological changes to occur it would have to be a valid scientifically tested method. I would rather see someone on sugar water than i would on Prozak |
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Post by bobdezon on Oct 2, 2007 11:05:18 GMT
Prozac has a valid use, its the misuse of the drug that is questionable. The body has a tendancy to become immune or dependant on certain treatments.
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Post by exile on Oct 2, 2007 17:27:47 GMT
I fully understand depression, Ive never had it myself but I have family members who do and I find a supportive nature can change that over time. I don't think you can understand an illness like depression until you have experienced it yourself. Some people are more inclined to get it than others. If you have never had it then you probably won't but you seem to be likening it to feeling a bit sad, Bob. Depression takes some time to really take a hold and before you are aware of it your whole view of your life has altered and it's very hard for that to be turned around. I think the tablets may help with the physical aspects of the illness that otherwise exacerbate it. It's worth remembering that the effects of it are different from person to person. Some people may get aggressive but some people may shy away from all social contact. It's hard for doctors to know what anti-depressents to give. They have to be tried and if they're not working something else should be given. |
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Post by bobdezon on Oct 2, 2007 17:39:21 GMT
I understand it as good as anyone who has not been diagnosed with it can. Ive seen its effects and lived through them. I know full well its not like being a bit sad or something, as I understand it it is literally like a huge black cloud of angst, doubt, sense of lose and failure, real woe is me type of feeling. It can destroy confidences, jobs,health, and even in extreme cases your life. I may not have a personal bias for its effect but I certainly understand the effect. I can also empathise and relate to it.
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Post by mesmo on Oct 2, 2007 17:42:15 GMT
I seem to have started a discussion on the nature of depression when my main topic was meant to be ''new age'' thinking. However, the posts have been very interesting. For the record, I believe my depression has been more of the''clinical'' type whereby a chemical imbalance can cause feelings of despair etc. Hence the medical route. I am working towards coming off the tablets soon.
I do accept what you say Jon about placebos but at the end of the day any treatment must deal with the cause and not just the symptoms.
Good thread though.
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Post by bobdezon on Oct 2, 2007 17:47:15 GMT
I still think its great you told us about your problem on a public forum though, it takes bawlz of steel to relate like that to strangers. That fear of being classed or judged etc must play a part in your decision making processes.
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Post by kt3 on Oct 2, 2007 17:57:52 GMT
Two points.... bravo for bringing a taboo subject like mental health out into the open. It is a huge problem in today's society and I can only have admiration for anyone who copes with depression which is a serious illness and is still not taken seriously enough.
My other point is that I believe that Dream Catchers are not actually part of North American Indian culture. They have been proven to be a very recent tourist gimmick designed to make money out of white people who visit reservations.
I could be wrong, but that's what I heard.
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Post by bobdezon on Oct 2, 2007 18:03:43 GMT
Yeah dreamcatchers started in the 1960s, first made by the ojibwa nation, for the pan indian movement. So technically they were invented by indians and have become a modern addition to their culture. Quite a few tribes adopted them after that.
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Post by kt3 on Oct 2, 2007 18:07:28 GMT
Wow, thanks Bob.  |
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Post by exile on Oct 2, 2007 18:12:27 GMT
My daughter brought everyone one from her weeks adventure holiday.... in Norfolk!  |
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Post by bobdezon on Oct 2, 2007 18:18:58 GMT
Im not suprised, down glastonbury way they tend to be full on woo. Something to do with it being an ancient holy site and king arthur etc.
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Post by dollydaydream on Oct 3, 2007 7:07:56 GMT
I love Stehen, he is all ways worth the watch I never get tied of watching him Brill  |
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Nov 15, 2007 15:32:43 GMT
He is a legend of comedy, and the fact he is realy smart to makes him even beter
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