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Post by davidhobbs on May 1, 2008 22:22:43 GMT
How very dare you sir. Oh bugger Yes Guilty as charged
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Post by davidhobbs on May 1, 2008 22:29:16 GMT
Oh Nice and agressive before we even get to like each other. I need to go away and recover before replying. Nigerian Princes Emmm Aggressive? If I was being aggressive david you would know about it, on no uncertain terms. I was merely pointing out that belief in efficacy does not equate efficacy. So do you believe psychic surgery has a non psychological effect? You do not need to be a psychologist to make that assesment. It is merely an opinion. Ah You have me on the spot and I disslike belief as much as I disslike thieving fake psychics and healers. Anyway. If I use my own experience I can only say that the job was done. I had no further problems. Now what part the mind plays in all this does interest me and so I have conversations with people who know more than I in the hope that i can learn. Like now. I was with afriend who was a nursing sister and she said that the procedure was exactly as would be carried out in a hospital.
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Post by davidhobbs on May 1, 2008 22:42:27 GMT
Time for bed.
Us old boys need our sleep.
Thanks for putting up with me.
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Post by bobdezon on May 1, 2008 22:48:03 GMT
Im intrigued, what exactly was the proceedure that was performed by the psychic surgeon that is also used in conventional medicine?
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on May 2, 2008 8:13:51 GMT
Nope doesnt hurt. This was/is one of Turoffs favourite tricks, everyone has a gap there, it is how Derren Brown can hammer a 6 inch nail up his nose without causing damage. It is painless if done correctly, or should be Are you Meercat with a different name or someone else. Interesting about the gap up the nose but I will give it a miss Have you tried the nail up the nose thing? Hmmmm, 61, I once knew a lawyer called Trev who was 61, lol And no i would never let anyone stick anything up my nose, i am not that stupid. However i have spoke to Derren Brown who regularly hammers a nail into his nose, as well as speaking to a number of doctors one even showed me a fancy diagram! You dont have to subject yoruself to something to research it you know.
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Post by davidhobbs on May 2, 2008 10:55:31 GMT
Are you Meercat with a different name or someone else. Interesting about the gap up the nose but I will give it a miss Have you tried the nail up the nose thing? Hmmmm, 61, I once knew a lawyer called Trev who was 61, lol And no i would never let anyone stick anything up my nose, i am not that stupid. However i have spoke to Derren Brown who regularly hammers a nail into his nose, as well as speaking to a number of doctors one even showed me a fancy diagram! You dont have to subject yoruself to something to research it you know. You know I went out to the garage this morning and found a six inch nail. Bear with me. I went back indoors, stood in front of the mirror and held it against my nose. It almost comes out of the top of my head, and as you will have gathered by now, the said head is not inconsiderable in proportion. I can only assume that the nail is not banged in all of the way, or you are doing the male thing and saying that four inches is in fact six.
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Post by hellyp on May 2, 2008 12:30:49 GMT
;D
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Post by bobdezon on May 2, 2008 15:52:06 GMT
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Post by davidhobbs on May 2, 2008 19:38:28 GMT
Now you have spoilt it for me. Is it true about Father Christmas.
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Post by davidhobbs on May 2, 2008 19:49:58 GMT
Im intrigued, what exactly was the proceedure that was performed by the psychic surgeon that is also used in conventional medicine? Hello Bobdezon. I would like to say that it was something rare inoperable and deadly, but it wasn't. Basically I had been to the doctors with a lump on the back of my neck. The doctor said that he would lance it for me at a later date. Mr Turoff drove a spike into the back of my neck, oddly enough about the size of a six inch nail, and there was a bit of a pop. Then he drove it in further, and there was a second pop. By now he had blood all over him and the people watching were making that noise you hear when someone has just trodden in dog muck and walked it all over the living room carpet whilst they were enjoying their McDonald's. Anyone could have done it of course.
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Post by davidhobbs on May 2, 2008 19:53:03 GMT
Sorry.
I forgot to mention that after the spike in the neck came the hooked scissors which made an interesting crunching sound when he hooked them into the wound and cut through the flesh with them.
Yuk.
Sorry if you just had dinner.
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Post by davidhobbs on May 2, 2008 20:18:03 GMT
Do you know if any medical procedures involve putting scissors up the nose? I must admit that it seems a bit Show bizzey.
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Post by bobdezon on May 2, 2008 20:21:02 GMT
Do you mean to tell me, that steven turoff actually performed a physical surgical procedure upon you?
WTF?
I am sure that this is highly illegal, and definately very dangerous. You could have died from sepsis, or had the spinal colum severed. Its very brittle at the C1 section.
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Post by davidhobbs on May 2, 2008 20:35:13 GMT
Do you mean to tell me, that steven turoff actually performed a physical surgical procedure upon you? WTF? I am sure that this is highly illegal, and definately very dangerous. You could have died from sepsis, or had the spinal colum severed. Its very brittle at the C1 section. Yes he did. It was in front of a large audience and I did volunteer. Silly boy lemon that I am.
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Post by bobdezon on May 3, 2008 0:28:48 GMT
Yes he did. It was in front of a large audience and I did volunteer. Silly boy lemon that I am. Knowing that this is a potentially fatal procedure, would you be willing to testify to this happening to you, to prevent harm coming to others?
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Post by fruitbat on May 3, 2008 12:07:07 GMT
Do you mean to tell me, that steven turoff actually performed a physical surgical procedure upon you? WTF? I am sure that this is highly illegal, and definately very dangerous. You could have died from sepsis, or had the spinal colum severed. Its very brittle at the C1 section. Yes he did. It was in front of a large audience and I did volunteer. Silly boy lemon that I am. David you're nuts.
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Post by davidhobbs on May 3, 2008 13:24:05 GMT
Yes he did. It was in front of a large audience and I did volunteer. Silly boy lemon that I am. David you're nuts. No it was my neck!
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Post by davidhobbs on May 3, 2008 13:36:38 GMT
One thing that was very unusual, and I am sure you will tell me what happened was this.
I know that he punctured my neck quite deeply and then cut the wound with a pair of scissors. As I have said all ready he was covered in blood.
At the end he pressed the wound with his thumb.
I went back to my seat and felt my neck and there was no signs of any blood. My clothing was covered by a cloth and remained clean, but there was no blood on my neck.
I went home and held a mirror at the appropriate angle and the lump was gone and all that was visible was a small dark line Appx 1/4 inch long where it had been. No soreness or seeping, nothing.
I have always been very puzzled by this.
Would I testify against him.
No I would not. I put myself up for it, and face any consequences and after all he fixed the problem. I would not do it again of course, because it does hurt a tad.
Like I said in a previous post. I like to find things out by doing them myself.
Within reason.
I do have to say one thing.
I am suprised that you guys didn't know that this sort of thing took place. I thought you new the man. I hope my story fills in a few gaps for you.
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Post by bobdezon on May 3, 2008 18:41:57 GMT
Psychic surgery is supposed to be non intrusive in this country, hence my confusion. I have seen operations in the phillipines etc where they actually excise boils, scrape eyeballs etc etc. That type of procedure is undoubtedly illegal in england. That was was shocked me, steven turoff actually performing physical procedures.
Now as for your procedure, this is how I imagine it worked. You had a boil or some other benign growth on your neck. This causes a buildup of decaying white blood cells to aggregate in this area. It will after a time become quite swollen. This stretches the skin quite thin at this point. When a needle like object is inserted through the upper epidermis the contents flow out, the cyst wall ruptured cannot contain the pressure inside. The wound was wiped, and a thumb was placed under pressure over the entry point. This stops the immediate blood flow and gives the clotting time needed to form closing the wound.
This isnt psychic surgery however, this is a regular surgical procedure. No allegedly psychic element was used as far as I can see.
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Post by davidhobbs on May 3, 2008 21:49:36 GMT
Psychic surgery is supposed to be non intrusive in this country, hence my confusion. I have seen operations in the phillipines etc where they actually excise boils, scrape eyeballs etc etc. That type of procedure is undoubtedly illegal in england. That was was shocked me, steven turoff actually performing physical procedures. Now as for your procedure, this is how I imagine it worked. You had a boil or some other benign growth on your neck. This causes a buildup of decaying white blood cells to aggregate in this area. It will after a time become quite swollen. This stretches the skin quite thin at this point. When a needle like object is inserted through the upper epidermis the contents flow out, the cyst wall ruptured cannot contain the pressure inside. The wound was wiped, and a thumb was placed under pressure over the entry point. This stops the immediate blood flow and gives the clotting time needed to form closing the wound. This isnt psychic surgery however, this is a regular surgical procedure. No allegedly psychic element was used as far as I can see. Thank you for the explanation. Steven Turoff has also removed eyes etc. That may surprise you, but it came from the horses mouth, so to speak. Having said that I only have his word, and others that I have known and as I said I like the evidence of my own eyes I take it as hearsay, but from trusted people. Getting back to the"procedure". He did not use a pin or needle but a rather thick spike as I said a bit like a six inch nail. I know i do like a little joke but I was not joking about that. Then there was the cutting of the flesh with the scissors. I am still at a loss as to how it could heal instantly. having cut myself many times during the course of my life and knowing how long even a small scratch takes to heal I am still deeply puzzled. But then I am not a medical man, and you seem to know your stuff, so I assume you probably work in the medical profession.
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