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Post by MoonRiver on May 8, 2008 22:37:46 GMT
David, I'm not quite sure what it is you want to know, or what you expect your knowledgable friends to confirm or deny for you. It would appear that you believe the homeopathic remedy you used cured you and your wife of whatever ailed you. So be it!
However, I would bet money that should you ever be unfortunate to suffer from a disorder that has been scientifically studied by medics, scientists and pharmaceutical chemists; you would seek their advice and help and NOT that of a homeopathic practitioner.
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Post by bobdezon on May 8, 2008 23:53:47 GMT
I have to ask a question which may sound silly but some time ago I was diagnosed with varicose eczema which my doctor said was incurable and hereditary. I went to a homoeopath and they seemed to cure me because the problem has gone completely. www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/articles/article.aspx?articleId=610§ionId=11On the treatment of your problem. First the ironic comedy gold. They say water is helpful in moisturising. Homeopathy/water/irony alert? Now the warning about sCAM homeopathic remedies.
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Post by davidhobbs on May 9, 2008 7:42:48 GMT
David, I'm not quite sure what it is you want to know, or what you expect your knowledgable friends to confirm or deny for you. It would appear that you believe the homeopathic remedy you used cured you and your wife of whatever ailed you. So be it! However, I would bet money that should you ever be unfortunate to suffer from a disorder that has been scientifically studied by medics, scientists and pharmaceutical chemists; you would seek their advice and help and NOT that of a homeopathic practitioner. Something I found today Doctor Training: Drug companies invest in their salesforce 25 October 2007 Ever wondered why doctors usually reach for the prescription pad, rather than thinking of other – and less toxic – alternatives? The answer may be found in a study into America’s medical schools, which found that most of them were being funded by a drug company or two. Two-thirds of the 125 medical schools and teaching hospitals surveyed were receiving some funding from a drug company, either through research grants, purchase of equipment, and even ‘discretionary’ funds to buy food and drink for the students. The beneficence continued on an individual level, with 60 per cent of the departmental heads receiving some funding from a drug company. (Source: Journal of the American Medical Association, 2007; 298: 1779-
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Post by davidhobbs on May 9, 2008 7:47:32 GMT
I have to ask a question which may sound silly but some time ago I was diagnosed with varicose eczema which my doctor said was incurable and hereditary. I went to a homoeopath and they seemed to cure me because the problem has gone completely. www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/articles/article.aspx?articleId=610§ionId=11On the treatment of your problem. First the ironic comedy gold. They say water is helpful in moisturising. Homeopathy/water/irony alert? Now the warning about sCAM homeopathic remedies. Interesting but I had already learned this from the doctor. Perhaps it was the water. I must keep drinking.
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Post by davidhobbs on May 9, 2008 7:53:06 GMT
David, I'm not quite sure what it is you want to know, or what you expect your knowledgable friends to confirm or deny for you. It would appear that you believe the homeopathic remedy you used cured you and your wife of whatever ailed you. So be it! However, I would bet money that should you ever be unfortunate to suffer from a disorder that has been scientifically studied by medics, scientists and pharmaceutical chemists; you would seek their advice and help and NOT that of a homeopathic practitioner. To right I would I had skin cancer and wasted no time going too my GP. She said it would go away with radium treatment. Just melt away were her precise words. I saw the surgeon and he looked shocked and told me it does not work. I opted for the knife. Horses for courses. This was not the same doctor that I went too with the skin complaint. Trained medical people?
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Post by hellyp on May 9, 2008 9:26:22 GMT
You could be right. Just lucky I guess. Just imagine, she was lucky guessing with my wife too. Even though she had been under the hospital and various doctors for 13 years All that miss-diagnosing. I think I may start to worry about doctors now. I was under the impression that we were discussing your leg rash and subsequent recovery, not your wife. You provided background about your condition and recovery, not your wife's. While you are worrying about doctors, spare a few seconds to worry about people who think that water remembers what's been added to it and that prescribing little white pills without medical training is a good idea.
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Post by davidhobbs on May 9, 2008 11:06:29 GMT
You could be right. Just lucky I guess. Just imagine, she was lucky guessing with my wife too. Even though she had been under the hospital and various doctors for 13 years All that miss-diagnosing. I think I may start to worry about doctors now. I was under the impression that we were discussing your leg rash and subsequent recovery, not your wife. You provided background about your condition and recovery, not your wife's. While you are worrying about doctors, spare a few seconds to worry about people who think that water remembers what's been added to it and that prescribing little white pills without medical training is a good idea. Yes I will stop worrying.
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Post by hellyp on May 9, 2008 11:37:05 GMT
*shrug*
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Post by davidhobbs on May 9, 2008 11:52:16 GMT
Well I visited my friends this morning and the plot thickens.
Just as a bit of back ground I didn't mention that I had been chatting about homoeopathy on the internet, but just him asked a few questions in conversation. I already new that he was a dermatologist and his wife a GP in Tehran. He is also radiologist and was a lecturer at Tehran University. There are 2000 hospitals in that city and apparently the university is somehow connected to the hospitals. He was second in command at the university and said that he could never be number one as he was not one of the bearded ones. It also tunned out that he had studied herbal medicine and explained to me how many drugs today have been developed from their herbal ancestors. He got a bit technical after that but did say that the job of a GP here was different, and that they mainly refereed people. He also said, unprompted, that chemists often know more about drugs, and the suitability of them in treatment than doctors do and I said that most people realised that. He went into some detail about Eczema and I must admit that It was a bit complicated for me. The jist of it was that there are many reasons for this problem, and most forms came and went. Some with treatment and some without. I asked about my form of eczema and how it had vanished, and he said that sometimes miracles do happen. I took that as meaning that in medicine some things are just not certain. He also pointed to his head and said that much healing begins here. Now that I do accept.
His wife came into the room and joined the conversation. She said that homoeopathy was studied by many doctors in her country so I asked point blank if she believed it worked. The answer was an unqualified yes. I was a bit surprised to be honest, I half expected her to tell my not to be so silly, but in the cause of research, and all that.
I have not put this on to say that I am right but because my interest is really aroused by the conflicting views of experienced people both on this forum and off.
Now I really am confused but thanks for bearing with me.
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Post by bobdezon on May 9, 2008 12:41:52 GMT
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Post by davidhobbs on May 9, 2008 13:20:59 GMT
Couldn't agree more. That is why I am doing my home work. This is so interesting, and I do totaly agree that anyone regardless of title or status can be wrong. I accept that I could be wrong as only a fool would believe that they are the sole holder of the key to truth.
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Post by bobdezon on May 9, 2008 14:06:41 GMT
And that is the beauty of science and peer review. We catch the mistakes that slip through and reveal the error to be corrected. Its a good canard.
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Post by BeamStalk on May 9, 2008 14:18:16 GMT
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Post by MoonRiver on May 10, 2008 2:01:22 GMT
Perhaps in America Davidhobbs, but not so here in the UK. There are strict guidelines against such practice. Generally speaking, NHS doctors have to prescribe generic drugs unless there is a valid patient orientated reason not to. Patients who have 'private' prescriptions pay the BNF (British National Formulary) cost of drugs (which may also include a fee from the dispensing pharmacist). The most we ever get from drug companies is a few pens or post-it notes!
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Post by BeamStalk on May 10, 2008 2:58:31 GMT
MoonRiver - In America even if your doctor rights you a prescription for a named drug, you can have the pharmacist get you the generic equivalent.
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