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Post by steje73 on Apr 16, 2008 15:10:29 GMT
I don't know enough about how the body works to say whether it works or not so I went for undecided.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2008 15:10:50 GMT
My dads best friends wife is a migraine sufferer and she had acupuncture at an alternative health shop in the local shopping centre. She says it hasn't helped her at all and she told me that she had always been doubtful that it would help her but she gave it a go as her mum had great faith that acupunture would help her.
I have had no experience with acupuncture myself, but from dads friends wife told about her experience it sounds to me like you have to be in the right frame of mind for it to work, I don't know enough about it though to form a solid opinion on it.
Glad to hear it helped you though, always good to be relieved of pain.
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Post by starx on Apr 16, 2008 15:26:21 GMT
I had 4 lots of acupuncture for sciatica about 3 years ago in the vain hope something might help, as going to a chiropractor didn't help either. No, it didn't help in the slightest and at £40 a time, the only relief that was felt was from not handing my switch card over to them again. x
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2008 15:46:33 GMT
I have just spoken to my mum about this, she said that her and a few of her friends tried to give up smoking a few years back and some of them tried acupuncture to help them but came straight out of the session to light up a fag LOL.
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Post by tomroberts on Apr 16, 2008 16:07:09 GMT
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Post by bobdezon on Apr 16, 2008 18:20:53 GMT
From the research I've done there is conclusive proof that it gives "mild" pain relief, and that's about it. Unfortunately most of the evidence put forth is anecdotal. Seems like an ironic statement to me. Conclusive proof coupled with anecdotal? Yet the evidences you have reviewed to make your statement are peer reviewed and recognised by reputable scientific journals and educational establishments? I am interested to know what research you have read that states this is true. Can you provide references? Is this a trick question Brendan? Did you know fake accupuncture, has actually the same effectivness as "real accupuncture"? So what exactly does that tell you? I suggest you read Archives of Internal Medicine 2007;167:1892-8 The reason why people feel a benefit from accupuncture is simply psychosocialism. They expect it to work, and its placebo effect convices them this is so. Your claim that you were give accupuncture, and a conventional medicine to combat pain, yet somehow bizzarely claim that the resultant end to your pain was caused by the placebo and not infact the actual medication Is just delusional. I am reminded of the child saved recently by paramedics, and yet the parents thanked god for saving their child. Err...hello?......paramedics? Oh I know "god sent them right?" Credulism is not an attractive trait for a self professed sceptic.
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Post by bobdezon on Apr 16, 2008 19:48:43 GMT
You really do need to read what is written. I did. Which is why I wrote a reply. I understand this. So it was used to ease your symptoms? Irrelevant information? Again, irrelevant information. Please stay on topic. The period of treatment time by a service like the NHS is not under discussion here. It matters not to your final assertion that accupuncture works. I did read that you were given accupuncture as a supportive treatment. I have not claimed they were issued "at the same time". It would appear that you yourself, have not read what I wrote. Instead you chose to respond to "what you think I mean". You have claimed that accupuncture gives mild pain relief. You then claim to have recieved both conventional pain relief medication and accupuncture. You then claim 6 months later you have yet to experience migraines. This information coupled with your belief in the efficacy of accupuncture can only lead to one conclusion. Ergo: you believe accupuncture has corrected your maigraine. Is this not correct? You have a long history of credulism Brendan. You like to call yourself a sceptic. I have yet to see evidence of this claim. You support woo in almost every form, as is evidenced by your supernaturalworld forums. The role of a sceptic is to cast doubt upon practises or ideas that have no basis in fact. It is a form of education which improves us all. You have yet to accomplish this, although you are quite adept at publishing our stories and reports upon your own website. Credited as they may be. I would hesitate to call my comments presumptuous, I would posit they are fairly well evidenced. I would posit you do not understand the irony of this statement also. My response is "on the fly" and spontaneous. Are you suggesting I precomposed an answer for this question prior to your joining this forum and asking it? How very Sheldrake of you. Are you suggesting you do not understand the basic concept of a placebo and how it works? Now if you would be so kind as to answer my original questions about which references you are about to provide to support your position that accupunture has a known efficacy? I noticed you seem to avoid that all together
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Post by MoonRiver on Apr 16, 2008 23:57:12 GMT
Skepticeyedotcom - As you were referred to a hospital for your migraine, and were given a CT and MRI scan, I assume that once nothing sinister was identified you were also given advice from therapies such as dietetics and/or physiotherapy. Correct diet, posture and relaxation can all help lessen migraines; perhaps it is this and NOT acupuncture that has helped you.
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Post by gizzy1 on Apr 17, 2008 10:29:21 GMT
Ive gone for undecided as Ive never tried it.
My mum was given it on the NHS to help with a knee injury and she said it did some good and a few I have talked to about it also seem to be impressed by it.
If you suffer from Epilepsy you cant have accupunture.
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Post by bettyc on Apr 17, 2008 11:23:59 GMT
There wasnt a button for 'undecided but probably no' so Ive been kind and put 'undecided'. I didnt know that about not having it if you suffer from Epilepsy - but as I don't - and havent ever had acupuncture it doesnt really matter that I didnt know.........if you get the rambling.
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Post by gizzy1 on Apr 17, 2008 11:35:32 GMT
Because accupuncture works on the nervous system and the " electrics" in the body, it can affect epileptics and and cause a fit or possibly cause a fit, so it is highly recommended that if you suffer from this you dont have accupuncture.
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Post by bettyc on Apr 17, 2008 11:36:39 GMT
definately not to be recommended then.
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Post by gizzy1 on Apr 17, 2008 13:54:03 GMT
My partner has epilepsy and she has been told by her doctor she cant have accupuncture, so there has to be evidience of it causing something, as her doctor would be all for it, because of the very painfull condition she has.
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Post by BeamStalk on Apr 17, 2008 14:44:32 GMT
I know a doctor that insists you pray for a speedy recovery in whatever sickness, so there has to be evidence of this having some effect right? I am not saying there is no link between the two, as I haven't done the research but just because someone in authority says something, that does not make it true.
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Post by bobdezon on Apr 17, 2008 19:06:14 GMT
Doctors are not immune from believing in woo, and the doctor may personally feel "there is something to it" where accupuncture is concerned.
However just because the person has letters before their name, does not automatically mean they are correct. I know a christian doctor who refused to issue a morning after pill because he thought that god would consider it an abortion, and it would be a stain upon his "immortal soul".
Accupunture has no effect on epilepsy, except perhaps as a placebo effect. Acupunture does not influence the bodies electrical systems. It does however stimulate pain receptors in the skin, and that is as far as it goes.
There are people on epilepsy websites and forums who swear accupuncture helps them combat their condition, yet this doctor claims it is dangerous. Thats the problem with anything woo based, there is no consistancy.
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Post by MoonRiver on Apr 17, 2008 19:23:47 GMT
I know a christian doctor who refused to issue a morning after pill because he thought that god would consider it an abortion, and it would be a stain upon his "immortal soul". I have worked with a lot of pharmacists who also have this view Bob. Oddly enough, they often agree to provide a 'needle exchange' in community pharmacies. It's a strange mix of ethics.
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Post by bobdezon on Apr 17, 2008 21:13:25 GMT
Pharmacists are employed or self employed to distribute prescription drugs. They should do that, and not impose personal religious views on the products they sell. If they insist upon evangelising to customers they should lose their licence to practise. They come for prescriptions, not sermons or judgment.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Apr 21, 2008 12:10:00 GMT
I see Brendan deleted his post before deleting himelf, at least i could see his posts through Bobs quoting.
And anyway Bob didnt I tell you before not to keep handing brendans ass to himself! He is a sceptic now remember, he has a site that says so! lol
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Post by bobdezon on Apr 21, 2008 12:51:28 GMT
Yeah sorry about that, I did suspect once his ass was handed to him again he would modify his posts. Good job I remembered to quote him isnt it?
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Post by bujin on Apr 21, 2008 12:57:43 GMT
Acupuncture - not worth it. In my more credulous days a few years ago, I underwent 7 weeks of acupuncture on an ankle injury. I was told that acupuncture "definitely could help". However, after 7 weeks and over £400 of treatment, I felt no better whatsoever.
Note - of that £400, only £200 was for 10 weeks of treatment. Every week, they would hard-sell herbal medicines at £40!
I stopped going three weeks before the end, effectively losing £60 worth of treatment, but actually saving myself £60, as I would have had to shell out another £120 on herbal medicines if I stayed!
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