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Post by theminx on Apr 21, 2008 23:58:16 GMT
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Post by kensington on Apr 22, 2008 3:14:22 GMT
Hi there, good for him though I'd known for a long time as it was pretty much an open secret as well as the fact that us gay guys can often sniff them out from a mile away. But good for him though it makes no difference to his skills and for me is irrelevant to what he does in terms of his tricks. I guess the only people it matters to are those women and men who have a crush on him. At least I suppose they now no.
Whilst I sometimes find it strange and sad many of us still feel we have to make a point of coming out, I do think it is good that more and more people particularly in the public eye are slowly feeling they can talk more openly about their same sex partners without having to make a song and dance about first having to admit they are gay. It's good to see taboos breaking down particularly within show business and those in the public eye.
So whether he is straight, gay or bi I am happy for him and hope he keeps up the great work he is doing. Also on the plus side I hope that the fact he has said he has a male partner will help and be a support to other gay people in and out of the industry who may be themselves closeted or finding it hard to deal with their homosexuality. So good for him ;D
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Post by starx on Apr 22, 2008 7:13:13 GMT
Gay or not, i still would.
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Post by fruitbat on Apr 22, 2008 7:17:38 GMT
Gay or not, i still would. ;D
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Post by shmumph on Apr 22, 2008 7:46:01 GMT
Gay or not, i still would. Too bloody right
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Post by kensington on Apr 22, 2008 8:35:28 GMT
Oh I already have. Not!
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Post by theminx on Apr 22, 2008 9:13:52 GMT
i didnt mean any harm when putting up the post i just was shocked when i read it.i have many gay friends but i was sure he was hetrosexual oh well all the good looking ones are bloody gay
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Post by maria on Apr 22, 2008 9:17:03 GMT
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Post by kensington on Apr 22, 2008 10:09:35 GMT
Interesting article and thanks for posting the link I was just surprised it was news as I thought his sexuality was pretty well known but obviously not. Must admit before I found out a couple of years ago I thought he was gay the moment I saw him. Hard to explain. Some of us gay man have a finely tuned gaydar and I suppose it was his mannerisms, voice, dress sense and eyes etc that gave it away. Many gay men carry themselves in a certain way. It's hard to explain and it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with being camp which is not always a gay trait. I've met camp men who I have been pretty sure were not gay. It's just a form of intuition that some people have and others didn't. Of course whether he is gay or not does not alter my opinion of his abilities. Hey now that Derren is off the market there is always Paul Daniels
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Post by maria on Apr 22, 2008 10:12:01 GMT
er.....no thanks lol
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Post by kensington on Apr 22, 2008 10:17:00 GMT
Lol I'd rather have Debbie Mcgee.
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Post by maria on Apr 22, 2008 10:17:31 GMT
Would you?
I thought you were Exhibit A ;D
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Post by kensington on Apr 22, 2008 10:27:09 GMT
Lol no definitely not Paul Daniels. There is though something very attractive about Derren. His mind would just fascinate me. Imagine what life would be like with him
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Apr 22, 2008 12:59:32 GMT
I think it is a shame he feels the need to publicly come out, as it just makes him seem like yet another gay attention seeker "Look at me i am gay" However i do like Derren and itis probably the papers that are making more of a deal out of this than him. I wouldnt be surprised if the papers had gone to him and said they were gonna out him if he didnt say something himself.
Like William said it has been a well known secret for a while now.
I have heard a rumour however that Colin Fry is gonna come out soon too and admit he is straight!
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Post by bobdezon on Apr 22, 2008 16:53:38 GMT
Ive heard hes a harlot and a s trumpet.
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Post by theminx on Apr 22, 2008 17:05:59 GMT
Lol I'd rather have Debbie Mcgee. omg why? or would you prefer her rather wrinkly husband
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Post by hellyp on Apr 22, 2008 19:50:20 GMT
You never see the headline - 'Top star admits 'I'm straight''. No one feels the need to say 'I just thought I ought to tell you all I'm straight'.
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Post by fattulip on Apr 22, 2008 21:23:08 GMT
...I have heard a rumour however that Colin Fry is gonna come out soon too and admit he is straight! Jeez! I was convinced old Lincoln was a bandit the way he expertly handled that big trumpet. My gaydar must be way off, lol.
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Post by kensington on Apr 23, 2008 4:35:19 GMT
Perhaps you will allow me just to write about why I came out and a few of my friend's reactions to it just to give my perspective. I hope you don't mind and will forgive me for doing so. For me it has very little to do with boasting you are gay or seeking attention but more to do with putting an end to rumours and innuendo about your sexuality as well as to inform women they are barking up the wrong tree with their marriage requests etc. But yes ideally nobody should have to admit they are gay. Sadly, some feel they have to for the reasons above.
It is so true about not seeing a headline about being straight and it should not be a big deal. Sadly to the some of the media and even some readers and viewers it seems to be important as if it defines that person. It just really irritates me that for some people as soon as you let them know you are gay that is how they define and label you. Everything else about you takes second place. I've had to tell a few of my friends off when they refer to me to people or even introduce me to their friends as "my gay friend William" as if that is how I am defined. I never introduce them or refer to them as my straight friends.
Equally when Peter Mandelson was Northern Ireland secretary he would often be referred to in the media as gay northern ireland secretary or gay minister or gay politician. Gay is just one part of me.
Similarly when I meet some people as soon as they know I am gay they are very friendly to me as if assuming because I am gay I must be a really friendly and nice and harmless guy with the feminie touch. I can tell you some of the nastiest and two faced people I have encountered have been gay. Your sexuality does not depend on what you are like as a person.
I am sad Derren felt the need to come out so publicly but I understand his reasons which were to put an end to the innuendo and rumours as well as to let female admirers know they were barking up the wrong tree. I also hope his coming out will help those perhaps who are in the closet and let them realise that being openly gay is not as big a deal as it once was. Things have changed for the better over the past decades and radically particularly over the past 10 years. But yes I look forward to a time when nobody cares what sexuality somebody is and when nobody needs to declare their sexuality.
When I came out at 22 a few of my straight friends made the usual comments about me fancying them and as I had to remind them despite being gay I do have taste. When we stayed over I was made to sleep in a seperate room as if I would punce on them. Pathetic. It's all so silly.
Why did I admit I was gay? Well I was rather bored of people's innuendos regarding my sexuality and people making occasionally snide remarks. My view had always been it was nobody's business but mine. But one day my mother made one remark too many about suspecting I was gay so I told her outright. Being Catholic she was sad though accepted it. My Anglican father was fine. I was very lucky. Really, I was bored of all the innuendo and suggestive remarks so I told them outright. So that is why I told people I was gay. They could have asked me outright and a few did but for those that made remarks etc I decided to tell them.
There are still some people and relations that I have not told but my view is that my sexuality as well as that of Derren's is just one part and aspect of our lives as it is anyone's. I too hope before long someone's sexuality whether straight or gay will no longer be headline news or even make news. Sadly though it still does, albeit less so. I don't want gay people to be given special treatment etc just the same treatment as anyone else. That is all. No more and no less. Each person on his or her own merits.
Whether Derren Brown is gay or not I hope will not detract from what we all know and respect him for. That is showing us the wonder of his skills and his mind. Thanks for reading. I hope I've explained things a little better from my perspective. Thanks ;D William
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Post by hellyp on Apr 23, 2008 8:55:11 GMT
Perhaps you will allow me just to write about why I came out and a few of my friend's reactions to it just to give my perspective. I hope you don't mind and will forgive me for doing so. For me it has very little to do with boasting you are gay or seeking attention but more to do with putting an end to rumours and innuendo about your sexuality as well as to inform women they are barking up the wrong tree with their marriage requests etc. But yes ideally nobody should have to admit they are gay. Sadly, some feel they have to for the reasons above. I can understand that. It's very easy to say 'well you shouldn't care what other people think' but I suspect that after a while it can get pretty depressing - it annoys me no end the way people think they have a right to make your business their business. I have trouble understanding how people can find another's sexuality so worthy of gossip - it only ever gets an 'oh right, OK' out of me. Yeah. Again, I understand that, since labels should be on my list of phobias along with hospitals and big propellers. It's as though some people need to be able to pigeon hole others to be able to either feel safe or manage to not lose track of who people are. I hate it. Sadly, although we all like to think we're a bit more advanced than people used to be in 'the olden days', there are still many who find the idea of homosexuality to be repugnant and worthy of mockery. As long as there are people out there who take an unhealthy interest in other people's sex lives the papers will keep coming out with this crap. I think it's a two way street - the media to some extent form the opinions of... how shall I put it... the *ahem* more 'challenged' among us who look to them to say how we should think as well. Agree 100%. One day I might tell the tale of my EX best friend, who revelled in causing misery wherever she went. My father-in-law told the tale once of ending up in a gay pub by accident. He said 'as soon as I found out, I said 'backs against the wall, lads!'' and laughed. I thought - 'you're a 65 year old balding, overweight Scouser. I should imagine you're quite resistible to members of the opposite sex - why do you think men would be any different?' Great post, William - and I just want to make it clear that my comments were not intended to criticise those who come out publically, but rather those who think it necessary that everyone's private lives should be fair game, in other words those who to some extent force people to come out publically.
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