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Post by skeptomatic on Dec 19, 2006 22:38:40 GMT
Hotchic: were any of my guesses in my last post correct?
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Post by lowrider on Dec 19, 2006 22:55:08 GMT
I also posted asking of your experience of mediumship development as you seemed quite authoritative on the topic. If I can talk about this authoritatively why the need to question me? This line of questioning quickly degrades into circumstantial ad hominem. The key word is " seemed". i am simply asked what you based that opinion on. Experience or guess work and assumption. I know the thread has moved on but this was my first chance to log on since my post. Do you have any real experience?
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Post by abcde on Dec 20, 2006 0:40:04 GMT
Lowrider, Judge me by the quality of my postings (!) I'm NOT getting into a stupid argument about who's qualified to say what - I'm sure that you have zero qualifications btw but I'm still prepared to take your points on board. This issue is a complete red herring that destroys threads. Let's debate the issues and forget the 'Argument to Authority' and 'Ad Hominem' fallacies.
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Post by lowrider on Dec 20, 2006 10:36:52 GMT
Lowrider, Judge me by the quality of my postings (!) I'm NOT getting into a stupid argument about who's qualified to say what - I'm sure that you have zero qualifications btw but I'm still prepared to take your points on board. This issue is a complete red herring that destroys threads. Let's debate the issues and forget the 'Argument to Authority' and 'Ad Hominem' fallacies. I will. An opinion,no more. I was not asking you to prove your qualifications,simply asking what you based a statement on. A statement presented as fact. It seems it was not but only a personal opinion. Which is fine,i have no problems with that. As long as i understand that.
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Post by skeptomatic on Dec 20, 2006 12:15:35 GMT
Argh no response: I must have been chillingly accurate! Maybe this cold reading lark ain't so hard after all!
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Post by abcde on Dec 20, 2006 12:55:10 GMT
I will. An opinion,no more. I was not asking you to prove your qualifications,simply asking what you based a statement on. A statement presented as fact. It seems it was not but only a personal opinion. Which is fine,i have no problems with that. As long as i understand that. Will you kindly cut the crap and debate the issues? Why is it that whenever people are debating something you have to butt in with red herring arguments and other irrelevances? You're attacking the person, not their argument ( Argumentum ad Hominem) - normally the last refuge of someone who's lost an argument.
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Post by lowrider on Dec 20, 2006 14:01:46 GMT
First do not presume to tell me what to do and how to post on any topic. Again you seem to display an arrogance that we play by your rules or not at all. Secondly simply re posting a link does not means anything. I am not attacking you,i am asking a very simple question. You said , From what I have seen, those who believe they are developing their psychic skills are, in reality, simply learning cold reading by honing in on what gets the best results.From what I have seenI asked on what observations or experience you based that statement on. To date you have not answered,in fact it would have taken less time to reply to the question then it would in avoiding it. I also asked many other question all relevant to the debate. All of which you ignored. So you can decide they are irrelevant i do not. I think you cannot back that statement up. I am happy to be shown to be wrong. I await with my breath held.
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Post by lowrider on Dec 20, 2006 14:12:02 GMT
Argh no response: I must have been chillingly accurate! Maybe this cold reading lark ain't so hard after all! hothic has not logged on since your post skepto. With a bit of luck she may later.
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Post by abcde on Dec 20, 2006 14:32:28 GMT
I asked on what observations or experience you based that statement on. No, you were asking what my experience of psychic development was. I know the tactic - you want me to state that I have never attended a psychic development class so that you can claim that I therefore cannot have a valid opinion. It's a fallacy - and is why I didn't rise to the bait. As I said, " From what I have seen, those who believe they are developing their psychic skills are, in reality, simply learning cold reading by honing in on what gets the best results." whether I've attended a psychic development class is an irrelevance. What I said is self-evident and doesn't need qualifying further.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Dec 20, 2006 16:33:35 GMT
I have been in a psychic circle, and i have seen exactly what The Inquisitor described
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Post by abcde on Dec 20, 2006 17:13:59 GMT
I haven't been in a development circle but I've observed people who have.
I even had the pleasure (?) of observing someone who was told he had psychic ability by a spiritual healer slowly convince himself that he had all sort of abilities.
It was quite interesting to watch the delusion grow.
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Post by lowrider on Dec 20, 2006 17:41:26 GMT
Well we can move on but i was not setting any traps. I simply like to know if anyone with a view point has practical experience. I have always found that those with hands on experience have a wider range of knowledge. I feel also that as far as i am concerned we are exchanging views on a forum. Not engaged in a verbal game of chess I know from a quick scan of your site you can have an argument about an argument but is it really necessary to go through the whole rig morale just to say " i didn't sit in a circle". There are many other ways of gaining knowledge and experience.
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Post by exile on Dec 20, 2006 17:46:47 GMT
When it comes down to it, in a place like this we do not know what knowledge or experience each other has and to ask for it is a waste of time. People can just say they know a great deal about something when they know nothing.
I think it far better to get on with the discussion rather than constantly ask every time someone states their views, whether they can back those views with evidence or knowledge.
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Post by lowrider on Dec 20, 2006 18:09:27 GMT
When it comes down to it, in a place like this we do not know what knowledge or experience each other has and to ask for it is a waste of time. People can just say they know a great deal about something when they know nothing. I think it far better to get on with the discussion rather than constantly ask every time someone states their views, whether they can back those views with evidence or knowledge. Fine it was an off the cuff question. I expected a similar reply. I don't see the problem. With any subject everyone brings a level of knowledge and experience. If he had been in a circle or observed one we could have looked at what or where he felt this point occurred. He was the one who stated he had seen.I took that in the literal sense. As to making things up,i think most people on here would smell BS from anyone. There is a wide range of knowledge among people here.
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Post by lowrider on Dec 21, 2006 11:29:11 GMT
Well that seemed to have killed this thread.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Dec 21, 2006 16:22:43 GMT
you have a knack of that
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Post by hotchic on Dec 21, 2006 16:36:30 GMT
Skeptomatic, sorry, had to do wife and mum duties for the last couple of days!!
Back now, and I have to say, no I don't think any of the stuff you got was right. Sorry.
You can keep trying if you like.
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Post by hotchic on Dec 21, 2006 16:38:43 GMT
Actually, I lied. Just read your comments again, and you were right about guessing his age. I congratulate you on that one. Good thinking.
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Post by lowrider on Dec 21, 2006 19:10:10 GMT
You know i forget the point of the debate now.
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Post by skeptomatic on Dec 22, 2006 13:44:52 GMT
Arrghhh! Not psychic then ;D Sounds like my cold reading skills are pretty dodgy too - must practice!
Thanks for answering.
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