I think cold reading should be done face to face, and I have just looked at your location, so I think I will hop on a plane (not from Heathrow as it is cancelling flights left right and center) to Oz and you can try again. I am guessing there is no freezing fog there?
very good point rachel - I'd like to see these ''celebrity'' mediums do their act blindfolded- would be an interesting experiment (personally, I think they would fail)
Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Dec 22, 2006 14:32:13 GMT
YES you can cold read blindfolded, Sharon neill is an example of that.
Cold reading is not one single easy to learn technique. It relies heavily on a number of different factors.
It is about saying things that sound specifc when really they could apply to many. Its about saying things in a certain way, repeating back something the victim has just said.
There is a good reason why someone like myself wont get conned, yet someone else can.
And remember a psychic doesnt need to have studied cold reading to be able to do it. Many honest psychics have a natural ability to read people, they may have a history in sales.
My research and my studies have shown that when cheating is eliminated that the psychic fails 100% of the time.
And i will say this once again, ANYONE who thinks they are the real deal, I am willing to let you read me, or someone I trust, i will remove the chance for you to cheat, and if you then do well, I will admit it, and back you up more than you can imagine.
I also offer ANYONE whohas had what they believe to be a good reading the chance to show me a transcript or recording, and i will then show you EXACTLY how the psychic has achieved what they have achieved. Andif i cannot, i will hold my hands up and accept i cant explain it.
I have been saying this for years, and NO ONE, not a single person has been able to show me anything i couldnt quite easily explain away.
You think Tracy Higgs is the real deal, then show me a reading from her, a recording, a transcript, if she is real her reading will stand up to scrutiny, if she is a fraud then it wont.
Simple.
A bad ass who will beat you like he's using the fists of god.
Is it as simple as that? I don't know? I think perhaps that whatever anyone shows you, you will find fault, whether it is real or not.
I have not had a reading from Tracy, I have been in the room when she has given readings, in dems for example, and the evidence has been amazing.
I have found that when doing a reading blindfolded, in circle, and I didn't know who was sitting behind me, I found it easier to give information because you are not looking at that person and your mind isn't kicking in with whatever you 'think' you should be saying. I find it quite hard to 'switch off' and not let my mind kick in. As I've said before, I'm a novice so it is still quite new to me.
Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Dec 22, 2006 18:33:30 GMT
Is it as simple as that? I don't know? I think perhaps that whatever anyone shows you, you will find fault, whether it is real or not.
If something is real i will celebrate it, if it is fake, I will expose it.
I have not had a reading from Tracy, I have been in the room when she has given readings, in dems for example, and the evidence has been amazing.
of course it is amazing, you DONT know how she does it.
If you sat and watched Paul Daniels make an elephant disapear it IS amazing, because you dont know how it is done.
When you know how a trick is done it stops being amazing, and when the person doing the trick is saying it is real, you sudenly realise how disgusting they truly are.
I have found that when doing a reading blindfolded, in circle, and I didn't know who was sitting behind me, I found it easier to give information because you are not looking at that person and your mind isn't kicking in with whatever you 'think' you should be saying. I find it quite hard to 'switch off' and not let my mind kick in. As I've said before, I'm a novice so it is still quite new to me.
I was locked in a darkened room, had 30 people on the outside. I could see none of them. I gave a SPOT ON reading that amazed everyone.
I never cheated, i never cold read, yet i am still not psychic.
We as people can do impressive things, but its not magic, its not psychic.
Like i said before, EVERYTHING you have done, i have done but better. I truly did try out mediumship, i have seen both sides of the debate. I have given readings all sorts.
I am not an armchair sceptic, i am someone who has gathered huge amounts of knowledge on what i am debating.
You are being conned. let me show you, let me prove it to you.
I KNOW you have doubts, i know that deep inside you are thinking "What if Jon is right"
Well what if I am right, you have nothing to lose but delusion surely.
A bad ass who will beat you like he's using the fists of god.
Jon, let me ask you this... How do you know that you are not psychic by giving spot on information to 30 people you could not see. You say you aren't, but how do you know for sure?
Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Dec 22, 2006 21:58:34 GMT
rachel said:
Jon, let me ask you this... How do you know that you are not psychic by giving spot on information to 30 people you could not see. You say you aren't, but how do you know for sure?
The first good question you have asked on this forum.
To answer, I can i "maybe" be psychic, when the ability of being psychic does not exist.
Just because I can appear psychic, it doesnt make it so.
A true psychic would very easily be able to pass some simple double blind tests and prove the ability.
I have genuinely tried to test to see if I have any real ability, and just like the psychics I have tested, when I made the tests double blind, I failed 100% of the time.
I hear no spirits, see no spirits, and I have no psychic ability.
Whether it is coincedence, luck, people accepting things and making them fit, whatever, I am not psychic.
BUT BUT BUT, I know as fact that if I wanted to work as a psychic, that i have the personality, the charisma, the knowledge to be a convincing psychic. I have been invited to other circles purely on word of what i did at the Phoenix centre, and many people including mediums to this day still believe i am psychic despite my sceptisism.
And if I used my knowledge of cold reading too, i could pass myself off as an amazing psychic.
BUT I have morals, I have ethics, i am deep down a good person, and unlike many mediums isimply couldnt justify my fraud under the pretense that i was comforting people, or doing good.
Instead I will expose the frauds, and in doing so i KNOW i am doing good.
A bad ass who will beat you like he's using the fists of god.
Perhaps it is more that you really don't want to be labelled a psychic so you are going all out to deny it and denounce all psychics as fakes. I don't know, I am only surmising.
Yes, but... Jon, to say you're not a psychic because psychic ability doesn't exist is rather like saying I'm not an Alpha-Centuarian because there are no Alpha-Centuarians. Yes, we suppose there is no life in other star systems,but we don't *know* that for a fact. It is entirely possible that humans have the ability to "pick up" things from others' minds; that this ability is sporadic in effectiveness, and that you did well in the demostration because you do have some of this ablitity.
I would like to know what you mean by "double-blind tests", and what sort of testing for ESP you underwent? Just curious, so you may ignore my question if you wish.
Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Dec 23, 2006 0:49:00 GMT
rachel said:
Perhaps it is more that you really don't want to be labelled a psychic so you are going all out to deny it and denounce all psychics as fakes. I don't know, I am only surmising.
Why would i deny it? I have no doubt that if I wanted to I could easily make a fortune working as a psychic. If I knew i was psychic, I WOULD make a fortune, I would start with a million dollars from James Randi
A bad ass who will beat you like he's using the fists of god.
Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Dec 23, 2006 0:51:01 GMT
pcdunn2005 said:
I would like to know what you mean by "double-blind tests", and what sort of testing for ESP you underwent? Just curious, so you may ignore my question if you wish.
Just tests I arranged with a few friends. We did some basic tests to see if I could do anything.
basically I had arranged some tests to do with kendra, and wanted to try them out myself first to see if i could do them.
The psychic test involved a type of remote viewing, where items were placed in a closed box, and i simply had to say what was in there. I was to write down on paper what i believed was in there, so that i could not try and make fit what i had said.
I failed.
A bad ass who will beat you like he's using the fists of god.
I would like to know what you mean by "double-blind tests", and what sort of testing for ESP you underwent? Just curious, so you may ignore my question if you wish.
Just tests I arranged with a few friends. We did some basic tests to see if I could do anything.
basically I had arranged some tests to do with kendra, and wanted to try them out myself first to see if i could do them.
The psychic test involved a type of remote viewing, where items were placed in a closed box, and i simply had to say what was in there. I was to write down on paper what i believed was in there, so that i could not try and make fit what i had said.
I failed.
Just a question. Was it not a mediumship course not a psychic course? On the one hand you speak of giving messages and being invited into circles then you leap into a test for a psychic. Two differing things?
Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Dec 23, 2006 12:16:46 GMT
lowrider said:
admin said:
Just tests I arranged with a few friends. We did some basic tests to see if I could do anything.
basically I had arranged some tests to do with kendra, and wanted to try them out myself first to see if i could do them.
The psychic test involved a type of remote viewing, where items were placed in a closed box, and i simply had to say what was in there. I was to write down on paper what i believed was in there, so that i could not try and make fit what i had said.
I failed.
Just a question. Was it not a mediumship course not a psychic course? On the one hand you speak of giving messages and being invited into circles then you leap into a test for a psychic. Two differing things?
he course covered everything, I am just giving an example of one of the ways I tested myself, before I tested the medium.
I have also tested my so called mediumship too. Got my good friend Dr Bowen to do that for me using scientific method.
You will be happy to hear I failed miserably. I tend not to talk much about my failures as they are not as interesting.
I repeat 100% of Mediums & Psychics fail when you remove the chnce to cheat.
A bad ass who will beat you like he's using the fists of god.