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Post by pcdunn2005 on Dec 24, 2006 4:57:37 GMT
Ok, thanks for your answers to my questions.
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Post by Me on Dec 24, 2006 9:02:54 GMT
Indeed well said,but always the possibility Jon is incorrect of the assumtions of his own abilities.
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Post by Me on Dec 24, 2006 9:06:32 GMT
Jon, why would anyone who applies cheating methods, knowing of course these elements are going to be removed on the test,actually sit the test?
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Post by Me on Dec 24, 2006 9:15:49 GMT
Perhaps it is more that you really don't want to be labelled a psychic so you are going all out to deny it and denounce all psychics as fakes. I don't know, I am only surmising. Hun, it isn't that I promise you. Jon has so many more reasons to deny to himself he has any ability in this area,many people dismiss what they have got for varying reasons. Social conditioning,fear,lack of understanding. But with sir he would loose a whole lot more,and not a guarantee on the day of the Randi test he would succeed. Anything could go wrong Could you imagine ,BP and everything else stems from his claims that mediumship and psychic abilities did not exist. He would loose everything,and I am not speaking on a monetary basis. Could you imagine Randi realising he is psychic or can speak to the spirit world or rather admitting to it. The extent of what Randi would loose monetary wise would be phenomenal! Jon's loss is not monetary but it would have a similar impact in other ways within his life.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Dec 24, 2006 10:24:13 GMT
Jon, why would anyone who applies cheating methods, knowing of course these elements are going to be removed on the test,actually sit the test? You are right of course, this is why 99.9% of mediums wont take the Randi test. I should've made myself more clear. Inmy experience 100% of mediums and psychics fail when the chance to cheat is removed. This includes mediums and psychics who genuinely believe they have real powers.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Dec 24, 2006 10:28:34 GMT
Fair comment.
Potentially I can see what youare saying. BUT for me if I could prove, if only to myself, psychic ability was real, my whole life would change. I would still expose the frauds, but i would do it from a different position.
Also you know me, I would make a damned good medium.
Yes, but I am not Randi. I am just a normal bloke. If i was psychic, what would stop me from simply deleting my site, and actively pursuing a career in mediumship?
You are right Kendra (for once) But if i had real powers, i would come down your centre, develop them, and then ope a bigger better more sucessful centre than you!
Then i would kick your ass!
Everything i can do in my life i embrace, i have no loyalties to sceptisism, my journey is one for myself, for my own knowledge. I make no money from my beliefs, so for them to be changed doesnt affect me in any other way than emotionally.
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Post by PILLSBURY on Jan 22, 2007 13:36:02 GMT
Tony Stockwell is doing a live show at the Princes hall aldershot friday 9th march 7.45 £16.50 a ticket the bio says:
An evening of clairvoyance, Tony's extraordinary psychic abilities and often humorous communication with the two worlds will provide an entertaining and emotional evening full of tears and laughter.
Now shall I go ? that is the question.
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Post by skeptomatic on Jan 22, 2007 22:33:34 GMT
If we will get a scathing, no-holds barred review out of it, YES!
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Post by lowrider on Jan 23, 2007 11:30:23 GMT
If we will get a scathing, no-holds barred review out of it, YES! So the decision on his performance and any validity in mediumship is already decided. Like i said,lots of cynics disguised as sceptics on this board.
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Post by PILLSBURY on Jan 23, 2007 11:49:50 GMT
I have read the reviews on here but havent got a personal opinion so any review I write would be based on what I see and experience not to suit other peoples opinions. I am a sceptical believer not a cynical sheep following the flock around.Dont worry Lowrider I wrote the shall I go comment purely to see if people on here wanted an honest review or not. I will book my tickets and let you know how it goes.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Jan 23, 2007 13:09:38 GMT
If we will get a scathing, no-holds barred review out of it, YES! So the decision on his performance and any validity in mediumship is already decided. Like i said,lots of cynics disguised as sceptics on this board. Tony Stockwell is a fraud LR, an exposed one at that.
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Post by lowrider on Jan 23, 2007 14:26:37 GMT
So the decision on his performance and any validity in mediumship is already decided. Like i said,lots of cynics disguised as sceptics on this board. Tony Stockwell is a fraud LR, an exposed one at that. But any past "facts" should be ignored and this show judged purely on its own merits. As in a criminal case past records are not exposed until after the result. If anyone goes looking for proof they want to write a " scathing" report they will find it. But is will be of little value as the writers views were already warped. Pillsbury seems to have the right approach.
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Post by lloyd on Jan 27, 2007 10:50:16 GMT
Hmmm.I always wonder what the word "exposed" pertains too? Who exposes and do they have any qualifications or knowledge of the subject they are exposing.Can a Skeptic "expose" a Medium when most have no real knowledge of the subject!
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Jan 27, 2007 10:59:14 GMT
I have more knowledge than most sceptics to how mediumship works, simply because i have done a mediumship course
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Post by lloyd on Jan 27, 2007 11:05:52 GMT
Ok Jon,Just breaking myself in easy here! 1-0 to yourself, (will have the old fire back in belly soon )
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Post by lowrider on Jan 27, 2007 11:30:57 GMT
But you are in the minority Jon. " Most" was the key word in Lloyd's post,most sceptics have only a superficial knowledge of mediumship. Even yourself have only direct knowledge of the mediums " view" from a course lasting only weeks,not the years most mediums devote to the subject. Invaluable yes but hardly exhaustive. Most sceptics on here came to their conclusion from a smattering of articles,MH and other TV shows. Some of course do have a deeper knowledge but in general many do not.
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Post by Meercat on Jan 27, 2007 12:52:00 GMT
But you are in the minority Jon. " Most" was the key word in Lloyd's post,most sceptics have only a superficial knowledge of mediumship. Even yourself have only direct knowledge of the mediums " view" from a course lasting only weeks,not the years most mediums devote to the subject. Invaluable yes but hardly exhaustive. Most sceptics on here came to their conclusion from a smattering of articles,MH and other TV shows. Some of course do have a deeper knowledge but in general many do not. Fair point, but Lloyds question was can a sceptic expose a medium. There are many sceptic on here that agree with someone elses exposure of a medium, but very few who actually do the exposing. I dont think you need to be an expert in a particular subject to prove someone is lying about it, simple research will often be all that is neccessary to produce the truth. I do not have to be a Pool hustler to see someone discreetly move a cue ball and like wise I do not have to be a member of the magic circle to work out how the rabbit came out of the hat. I dont feel I need to go on a 'medium' training course to work out that Sylvia Browne is a scumbag.
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Post by Meercat on Jan 27, 2007 13:08:26 GMT
Even yourself have only direct knowledge of the mediums " view" from a course lasting only weeks,not the years most mediums devote to the subject. And you've got to be having a giggle here. What? And what are they doing while they are 'devoting' those years to the subject? Just telling people they can talk to dead people, saying 'Ive been a Medium for a long time'! If these Mediums who have devoted years to the subject, how come not one of them has actually been able to prove what they are doing? And yet a sceptic who has been on a training course for a few weeks (or indeed a sceptic who hasnt!) can prove someone is a fraud/lying.
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Post by hkev on Jan 27, 2007 13:17:50 GMT
That's an "interesting" idea. Only mediums can expose other mediums Turkeys voting for Christmas comes to mind.
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Post by Me on Jan 27, 2007 13:48:16 GMT
Even yourself have only direct knowledge of the mediums " view" from a course lasting only weeks,not the years most mediums devote to the subject. And you've got to be having a giggle here. What? And what are they doing while they are 'devoting' those years to the subject? Just telling people they can talk to dead people, saying 'Ive been a Medium for a long time'! If these Mediums who have devoted years to the subject, how come not one of them has actually been able to prove what they are doing? And yet a sceptic who has been on a training course for a few weeks (or indeed a sceptic who hasnt!) can prove someone is a fraud/lying. Ive spent over 15 years studying this subject. I had no intention of becoming a medium,I just wanted to learn more about it. There is more to learn than just to chat with Elvis! The intricacies of the spirit world,soul destruction,,soul splintering,soul groups,levels,team players,past lives,reincarnation,philosophy,manifestations,mental medium-ship,physical mediumship,how is it supposedly done,how can it be achieved,higher awareness,remote viewing,meditation,Auras,colour symbolism,symbology...jesus Christ the list goes on and on and on... When you study this it is not about believing ardently in each slice of the cake,it is about researching,attending courses,studying at home,net,groups etc etc etc And then add to that someone like me,who does take on board others beliefs and opinions and so the studying and interest diversifies into those avenues as well as the main.
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