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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on May 12, 2008 22:14:46 GMT
I was always led to believe that Derek Acorah gave notice to quit MH before the Kreed Kafer incident was ever thought of, that if I remember correctly was the reason given by the Acorah fans for the MH team dreaming it up in the first place to discredit him because he wanted to jump ship. Led to believe by who? Gwen? It is claimed that Derek wanted to leave since series 2. Yep, it is to Acorah what Trumpets are to Fry Hang on, Derek knew the show was faked from beginning, and so did Yvette and Karl. They are just as guilty as Derek for faking things. If anything they are more to blame. Derek was a known fake before they ever employed him, he was simply continuing his con that he had been doing for years
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Post by theminx on May 13, 2008 0:19:33 GMT
Hang on, Derek knew the show was faked from beginning, and so did Yvette and Karl. They are just as guilty as Derek for faking things. If anything they are more to blame. Derek was a known fake before they ever employed him, he was simply continuing his con that he had been doing for years yes they are but derek is the one who faked possessions i never saw yvette and co doing that yes your correct in saying thye must have known he faked but still today he fakes even in his stage shows.
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Post by tvi on May 13, 2008 5:47:49 GMT
Faked posession no....but they were both complicit in their own brand of fakery .... pushing glasses , making noises , the endless objects thrown ( by their team member(s) etc etc. Notice in the audio clip posted that Fielding appears to make the comment to Bull that he had revealed the location to Derek. At that time Bull was sold on DA......he actually believed him ( the one thing that convinced him seems to be the fact that DA attacked him one evening after a show , claiming that he was still possessed following an earlier encounter with a violent spirit ....... ! ) What a tangled web they weaved .
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2008 9:06:56 GMT
I was always led to believe that Derek Acorah gave notice to quit MH before the Kreed Kafer incident was ever thought of, that if I remember correctly was the reason given by the Acorah fans for the MH team dreaming it up in the first place to discredit him because he wanted to jump ship. Back in 2005 (I think it was April) Acorah was appearing at Croydon for three nights. On the Sunday he and Gwen went into a subsidiary of Borders books, where he bought a copy of every book on ghosts and haunted houses of Britain that they had in stock. Jon was contacted by an eye witness, and passed their details on to me. I spoke to the person on the phone on more than one occasion to make sure of the facts. Living TV's announcement of Acorah's new show, Ghost Towns, was made on 30 June 2005 - just a couple of months after the Borders incident. The most logical assumption to be made from these two facts is that the contract for Ghost Towns was signed in April, prompting the Acorah's search for all available information he might need for the shows. The infamous Kreed Kafer / Bodmin Gaol episode was first shown on 22 March 2005, but had been filmed approximately six months previously. Jon had told me about it some days before it was aired The day after that episode was filmed, Acorah was once again caught out with Rik Eedles while at Prideaux Place. This was closely followed by Ged Harken at the Golden Fleece in York (apparently devized by the team), and the Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe at Craigievar Castle. These were all filmed prior to Acorah getting his own show commissioned. Edited at Jon's suggestion to clarify and emphasise the point.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on May 13, 2008 9:22:48 GMT
yes they are but derek is the one who faked possessions i never saw yvette and co doing that What show you been watching? Have you not seen Yvette faking fainting? she may not have claimed that spirits were speaking through her, but she has claimed pretty much everything else. Dont be naive here. Yes but thats his job, thats what he does, its what he and many mediums like him do. The fact is they knowingly employed a fraud, kept him employed for 6 series and never said a word, not till he decided to leave. And only then in an effort to destroy his new TV show.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on May 13, 2008 9:27:23 GMT
These were all filmed prior to Acorah getting his own show. Maybe you should reword that to "These were all filmed prior to Acorah having his own show commissioned." I would assume that Living would have approached him much earlier than that, as i remember Gwen telling me that there were often ideas for new shows, Living could have made it quite clear they would go for a Ghost Towns type show, before commissioning it surely. And with Dereks money, and his position on MH, buying more books would be no waste if GT fell through
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Post by theminx on May 13, 2008 23:59:45 GMT
thing is jon that Derek made a lot of money out of conning people and no one likes a conman however Dereks wife is also a con merchant to go along with the lies too.i know many wives would stick up for their husbands but she has taken the biscuit in that role.she too was involved in the brannigans episode and went a long with the fakery.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on May 14, 2008 12:19:02 GMT
Of course Gwen goes along with it, she aint stupid. She is infact a very astute business woman.
As for no one likes a conman, well Robin Hood was a conman, and people liked him. You could say that Gwen and Dereks Manager justify Dereks evil deeds under some kind of backwards logic, or they are just greedy people
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Post by theminx on May 14, 2008 14:59:32 GMT
Admin said; "they are just greedy people" you can say that again
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Post by bobdezon on May 14, 2008 15:53:12 GMT
thing is jon that Derek made a lot of money out of conning people and no one likes a conman . Did you forget that peter popoff is now back in business? and raking it in again I might add.
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Post by steje73 on May 14, 2008 15:58:38 GMT
How? How can folk be taken in by him AGAIN?
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Post by theminx on May 14, 2008 18:59:30 GMT
thing is jon that Derek made a lot of money out of conning people and no one likes a conman . Did you forget that peter popoff is now back in business? and raking it in again I might add. oh ffs cant these twerps just fizzle out somewhere and leave the general public to keep their money
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Post by cheekygirl on May 14, 2008 23:09:45 GMT
I was always led to believe that Derek Acorah gave notice to quit MH before the Kreed Kafer incident was ever thought of, that if I remember correctly was the reason given by the Acorah fans for the MH team dreaming it up in the first place to discredit him because he wanted to jump ship. Led to believe by who? Gwen? It is claimed that Derek wanted to leave since series 2. Yep, it is to Acorah what Trumpets are to Fry Hang on, Derek knew the show was faked from beginning, and so did Yvette and Karl. They are just as guilty as Derek for faking things. If anything they are more to blame. Derek was a known fake before they ever employed him, he was simply continuing his con that he had been doing for years No Jon not by Gwen well not to me anyway by the Acorah fans that was the reason some of them gave for the MH team setting him up so to speak because he wanted to leave and they wern't going to let him go quietly they wanted to discredit him and the new show he had planned Ghost Towns, what the real reason is or was only the MH team knows. Yes Jon Yvette and co are just as guilty as him I never said they wern't, yes they knew he was a fake from the start it's just a pity that some of his adoring fans didn't, the show was a lie from the very beginning.
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Post by cheekygirl on May 14, 2008 23:17:47 GMT
I was always led to believe that Derek Acorah gave notice to quit MH before the Kreed Kafer incident was ever thought of, that if I remember correctly was the reason given by the Acorah fans for the MH team dreaming it up in the first place to discredit him because he wanted to jump ship. Back in 2005 (I think it was April) Acorah was appearing at Croydon for three nights. On the Sunday he and Gwen went into a subsidiary of Borders books, where he bought a copy of every book on ghosts and haunted houses of Britain that they had in stock. Jon was contacted by an eye witness, and passed their details on to me. I spoke to the person on the phone on more than one occasion to make sure of the facts. Living TV's announcement of Acorah's new show, Ghost Towns, was made on 30 June 2005 - just a couple of months after the Borders incident. The most logical assumption to be made from these two facts is that the contract for Ghost Towns was signed in April, prompting the Acorah's search for all available information he might need for the shows. The infamous Kreed Kafer / Bodmin Gaol episode was first shown on 22 March 2005, but had been filmed approximately six months previously. Jon had told me about it some days before it was aired The day after that episode was filmed, Acorah was once again caught out with Rik Eedles while at Prideaux Place. This was closely followed by Ged Harken at the Golden Fleece in York (apparently devized by the team), and the Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe at Craigievar Castle. These were all filmed prior to Acorah getting his own show commissioned. Edited at Jon's suggestion to clarify and emphasise the point.Thanks for the explanation Echolima2 so was Acorah actually sacked from the programme or had he planned to leave as has been suggested by some of his fans and the MH team cooked up Kreed Kafer etc to discredit him because he wanted to go it alone.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on May 15, 2008 10:02:40 GMT
Acorah was NOT sacked, but working for them had become almost impossible.
The Kreed Kafer thing was cooked up by Karl Beattie as a way to destroy Derek on his way out, Ciaran was meerly a tool used by Karl.
When the newspaper piece broke, Karl and Ciaran were called into a meeting by the LivingTV bosses, and KARL was told in no uncertain terms that if Derek did not appear on MHL that there would be no MHL.
Infact by Derek being professional and appearing, he probably inadvertantly saved MH from being axed. Irony if it was ever needed.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2008 10:13:03 GMT
Thanks for the explanation Echolima2 so was Acorah actually sacked from the programme or had he planned to leave as has been suggested by some of his fans and the MH team cooked up Kreed Kafer etc to discredit him because he wanted to go it alone. No, as Jon says Acorah was not sacked, nor did the team cook up KK in order to discredit him because he wanted to leave. As I understand it, when the team turned on him and dreamed up the anagrams [as well as making an official complaint about his behaviour], he realised he was rumbled, and went whining to Richard Woollfe for protection! I believe he was given a Living TV 'minder' who seems to have been the one who fed him information on forthcoming venues. It was probably at that point that the idea of Ghost Towns was mooted.
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Post by cheekygirl on May 15, 2008 14:27:33 GMT
Thanks to both Jon and Echolima2 for clarifying things, as you do both seem to be very well informed where Acorah is concerned do either of you know why things turned as nasty as they did between Derek Acorah and the MH team as they had worked together for a good few years before all this transpired and i'm sure that Yvette Fielding and co had worked out that Acorah had been faking possessions long before they decided to concoct the Kreed Kafer/Rik Eedles/Ged Harkins stunts and vice versa he knew that the whole MH set up was a complete and utter sham.
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Post by magictorch on May 15, 2008 14:49:56 GMT
Mr COK is an arse ,hes a self centered horrible man
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2008 16:26:33 GMT
... do either of you know why things turned as nasty as they did between Derek Acorah and the MH team as they had worked together for a good few years before all this transpired and i'm sure that Yvette Fielding and co had worked out that Acorah had been faking possessions long before they decided to concoct the Kreed Kafer/Rik Eedles/Ged Harkins ... I my be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that Yvette had believed in Acorah and his 'possessions'. I know that David Bull certainly believed his 'possessions' were genuine when he was attacked by Acorah in a restaurant one night after the show, as there is a [possibly unpublished] clip of him telling the story to others. As I heard it, the team started having their suspicions, but it wasn't until the anagrams that their suspicions were confirmed. Once they had proved 100% that Acorah had been faking the possessions it obviously put a totally different light on the assaults he had made on female team members [and David Bull] in a very different light. What had been viewed in the past as something beyond Acorah's control suddenly became something much nastier. I understand that was the basis of the official complaint made by the team. Although I have no evidence one way or the other, it has always seemd to me to be highly significant that David Bull made his sudden announcement that he was leaving MHL on the same weekend that Acorah was exposed for the fraud he is.
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Post by cheekygirl on May 15, 2008 17:25:04 GMT
I find it very hard to believe that Yvette Fielding and the rest of the MH team believed that he was actually being possessed, didn't it once occur to them that some of the things that were supposedly happening to him looked and were absolutely ridiculous.
But IF they didn't realise and I say IF then yes that would put a different complexity on things him attacking the crew because then they would have realised he was fully aware of what he was doing and was actually a danger to be around.
Yes he has been exposed as a fraud but that doesn't seem to be enough for some people they are still convinced he is genuine, what will it take for them to finally open their eyes and see what is blatantly staring them in the face.
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