I my be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that Yvette had believed in Acorah and his 'possessions'. I know that David Bull certainly believed his 'possessions' were genuine when he was attacked by Acorah in a restaurant one night after the show, as there is a [possibly unpublished] clip of him telling the story to others.
I dont believe for one minute that David Bull ever believed in him. This is the man who stated quite clearly on tv "Anyone who hears voices is psychotic" I think David was just a polite professional who realised Derek was the money in the show so did what seemed best
Although I have no evidence one way or the other, it has always seemd to me to be highly significant that David Bull made his sudden announcement that he was leaving MHL on the same weekend that Acorah was exposed for the fraud he is.
I think it was purely coincedence, although Bull is a professional so probably thought it was best to leave a seemingly sinking ship
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do either of you know why things turned as nasty as they did between Derek Acorah and the MH team as they had worked together for a good few years before all this transpired and i'm sure that Yvette Fielding and co had worked out that Acorah had been faking possessions long before they decided to concoct the Kreed Kafer/Rik Eedles/Ged Harkins stunts and vice versa he knew that the whole MH set up was a complete and utter sham.
This actually goes back to series 1 and Jason Karl.
Yvette Fielding always saw herself as the star of the show, she was the semi-big name presenter, the whole show was cooked up by her and Karl (think Steve Volke should get the credit here actually, but thats a different story).
Now during teh first series Jason Karl was undoubtably the star, and got the most fan mail and attention etc. At the end of the series he was removed, by order of Yvette, pure jealousy.
Series 2 and suddenly Derek Acorahs career went sky high, and suddenly he was the big star, it was from this moment that Yvette turned on Derek, the problem was she couldnt just fire him because of Dereks excellent relationship with LivingTV, they realised he was the money in the show and people were watching because of him, so it became a situation where Derek was basically untouchable.
There is a chance that Yvette was naive and believed in Derek, but Yvette is smart business woman, and she simply turned a blind eye.
I would say she knew the truth about him from the beginning and just went along with it to make money.
Derek had talked about leaving since series 2 finished, but was always convinced to stay by LivingTV and Antix, remember they had no one to replace Derek, where as it was easy to replace a fake parapsychologist, an entertaining psychic was a different problem.
EVERY psychic they brought in over the years was supposed to be Dereks replacement, from Ian lawman, to Brian Shepherd etc.
When they brought in David Wells he seemed to be the only one the fans liked to any level, so he was kept as the long term replacement, but Dereks popularity always meant he was gonna be number 1.
David Wells was close with karl and Karl openly fed info to Wellsy, where as Derek simply did his own research.
And thats about it.
So yeah you can trace it back to Yvettes ego, she always wanted to be number 1, and you can see Yvettes "perfect" Most haunted, its on ITV2 and called "Ghost Hunting With....."
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My my these tv folk sure are a very shallow bunch of people are they not, so Yvette Fielding wanted all the glory and all the limelight a mediocre childrems tv presemter she struck gold when she teamed up with Acorah as it seems he was the goose that laid the golden egg and the show wouldn't have been anything without his ham acting.
I find it very hard to believe that Yvette Fielding and the rest of the MH team believed that he was actually being possessed,
Why? Just because she had been a Blue Peter presenter doesn't make her any less gullible or more intelligent than the average, you know As for the rest of the team - probably some believed, those who didn't would have kept their mouths shut as they wanted the job. Think Emperor's New Clothes Syndrome!
It's perfectly possible that Karl and Stu originally got up to their antics because they felt Acorah wasn't sensational enough for the programme, without realising that he was also faking things.
Series 2 and suddenly Derek Acorahs career went sky high, and suddenly he was the big star, it was from this moment that Yvette turned on Derek,
No, Jon, I'm afraid you're wrong there. Remember, you had very little interest in Most Haunted for a long time, and didn't really follow it in any depth, and you relied very much on Little Claire, myself, Brian, Hauntedsocks et al to monitor the programmes.
Yvette's body language did not show her turning on Acorah that early. I don't have the time [or energy!] to trawl back through the series to find when it did happen, but I don't recall it happening much before Series 6.
as there is a [possibly unpublished] clip of him telling the story to others.
Errrr yes , there is
That's what I thought, TVI
Its a little unnerving that the same Dr Bull was adopted as the Tory candidate for Brighton Pavillion shortly after leaving MHL
Isn't it just! Not too long ago there was a rumour that Acorah was going to be involved in a new TV series with him. I wrote and asked him if that was the case, and he was emphatic in his denial, and asked where the story had originated.
Jon I wouldn't be surprised if half of this thread nay all of the thread has been copied and presented to the admin over on TDA or even the Acorahs themselves, I know your not in the least bit bothered but just thought i'd give it a mention anyway.
I dont believe for one minute that David Bull ever believed in him.
Sorry Jon, but you're wrong. He most certainly did believe in Acorah, if only for a short time.
How can you possibly know? He told you? He is a liar, he lied to me a number of times and got caught out. He is a GP, an intelligent man, he NEVER believed in Acorah
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Series 2 and suddenly Derek Acorahs career went sky high, and suddenly he was the big star, it was from this moment that Yvette turned on Derek,
No, Jon, I'm afraid you're wrong there. Remember, you had very little interest in Most Haunted for a long time, and didn't really follow it in any depth, and you relied very much on Little Claire, myself, Brian, Hauntedsocks et al to monitor the programmes.
Yvette's body language did not show her turning on Acorah that early. I don't have the time [or energy!] to trawl back through the series to find when it did happen, but I don't recall it happening much before Series 6.
I am not wrong, I have spoken to a number of people who worked on the show face to face.
From series 2 Yvette wanted rid of Derek, remember she is a trained actress, you cannot judge body language when someone is acting.
After series 6 she simply stopped acting
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Jon I wouldn't be surprised if half of this thread nay all of the thread has been copied and presented to the admin over on TDA or even the Acorahs themselves, I know your not in the least bit bothered but just thought i'd give it a mention anyway.
I dont give a s*it, Nik before me, and then me myself have been a thorn in the side of the Acorahs for years. EVERYTHING i have stated on here I have told to Gwen Acorah herself.
I know everything I write gets copied to the Acorahs, they simply dont care.
Nothing i say or do on BP can have any effect on Derek or his earnings, so i simply dont bother any more.
You cant sink Derek, it is impossible. The man is Superman
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remember this jon that ecolima2 has always been the thorn in the acorahs side and they dont like the fact what she has always reported was the truth.gwen and all may not like the fact that she has delved into dereks past and found out stuff about him but its nice to know that ecolima2 has made a little dent in their pride the acorahs might not like that jon and ecolima2 have in the past exposed derek for the fraud he is but his fans just dont see the b*llsh*t derek exudes i think the acorahs use this to their advantage to get the fans to dismiss whats in front of them.
On the evening of the infamous Frances Mills incident , during the break following Acorahs possession by the gender bending Mills , Bull walked through the audience towards the back of the hall and out to the OB van . He stopped to talk to a member of the audience and recounted how Acorah had jumped on him and tried to strangle him in the bar of the hotel where they were staying in Stratford. ( Presumably after the Stratford "live" )
"He jumped on top of me , tried to strangle me....he tried to rip off my clothes " " It was really wierd...that was my turning point...I thought , Oh my God "
When in the OB van , talking to the crew he then mentioned the incident twice more , asking if they , the crew members recalled it.
He needed to cool off , so put a cold towel on the back of his neck and pretended to be "Rocky"....
"What a mad night" he said "He got transfigured like in the bar" "I jumped" "You know in the bar , what happened at Straford...THAT "
Then again...
"That happened in the bar at Stratford , to me "
As for Karl and Yvette , they must have realised Acorah was faking it after Mary Loves Dick , surely . This was at the time Hanrahan was producing.....and Karl was camera operator. Later at the Blackpool live "I'm burning " incident , Ciaran and Yvette went off to one side during the break to discuss how Acorah had got the information about someone dying in a fire. There was a newspaper cutting framed on the wall of the building which recounted the fire. It was in the area where Acorah had spent some time earlier.
But the cutting didnt mention a death.....a little later , Acorah corrected himself , he had been thinking and now reckoned the victim was badly burned , but didnt die !
remember this jon that ecolima2 has always been the thorn in the acorahs side and they dont like the fact what she has always reported was the truth.
The truth is subjective when the source of the information is a nutter. Dont forget that. (not you Margeret I am refering to that John idiot)
I past caring about Derek a long time ago, nowaday the only effort I will put into Derek is that of a joke clip or something. Gotta keep up the tabloid journalism!!
Did you see Dickie Wiseman plug BP at the recent lecture Randi was at! lol
gwen and all may not like the fact that she has delved into dereks past and found out stuff about him but its nice to know that ecolima2 has made a little dent in their pride
What dent? Derek doesnt care. Neither does Gwen. Hell they even invited me to watch Derek live at the Alex.
the acorahs might not like that jon and ecolima2 have in the past exposed derek for the fraud he is but his fans just dont see the b*llsh*t derek exudes i think the acorahs use this to their advantage to get the fans to dismiss whats in front of them
Derek has something that sets him apart from many psychics out there, charisma, he is an annoyingly likeable man. When he is not raping the memories of some poor dead baby, he is a very entertaining man
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He stopped to talk to a member of the audience and recounted how Acorah had jumped on him and tried to strangle him in the bar of the hotel where they were staying in Stratford.
"He jumped on top of me , tried to strangle me....he tried to rip off my clothes " " It was really wierd...that was my turning point...I thought , Oh my God "
When in the OB van , talking to the crew he then mentioned the incident twice more , asking if they , the crew members recalled it.
Why would he recount this story to a random person in the crowd?
Not saying it didnt happen as it obviously did, but dont you think it is strange. I think maybe he was having a wind up. Remember They knew we were getting this kind of footage on BP
As for Karl and Yvette , they must have realised Acorah was faking it after Mary Loves Dick , surely . This was at the time Hanrahan was producing.....and Karl was camera operator.
They knew long before then, Come on John stop being naive. They knew from the beginning the lot of them
Later at the Blackpool live "I'm burning " incident , Ciaran and Yvette went off to one side during the break to discuss how Acorah had got the information about someone dying in a fire.
Wasnt that the story Juliette planted or am i thinking of someone else?
I cant believe I am even talking about past MHL's as if it was ever a serious program.
Like i said before where is Steve Volkes credit at the end of MHL, afterall he created the concept didnt he!!
Ok, i will let you youngsters chat about old MH's, i am off to drink some Vodka
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