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Post by skairdykat on Nov 16, 2006 18:44:10 GMT
What do you guys think of him. I quite like him. He seems down to earth and doesn't hold with everything thats meant to be paranormal. Also i've heard that he doesn't charge for private sittings which is always a plus in my eyes.
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Post by shazzz on Nov 16, 2006 18:49:55 GMT
I dont really have an opinion on him either way to be honest.
I have not seen enough of him to form a proper opinion.
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Post by PILLSBURY on Nov 16, 2006 19:45:31 GMT
many will come on here and say fake,fraud,cold reader etc but I have to say of all that I have seen he seems the most down to earth, he impressed me on MH because he kept saying that the team were creating phenomona . He was also quoted as saying that he never came across a ghost/spirit in any of the investigations he went on. I dont know if he really does talk to the dead or not but he does have some sort of ability .
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Post by shazzz on Nov 16, 2006 20:09:33 GMT
Thats true pillsbury
thats prob the reason hes not on MH now
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Post by Ghostman on Nov 16, 2006 20:30:50 GMT
many will come on here and say fake,fraud,cold reader etc but I have to say of all that I have seen he seems the most down to earth, he impressed me on MH because he kept saying that the team were creating phenomona . He was also quoted as saying that he never came across a ghost/spirit in any of the investigations he went on. I dont know if he really does talk to the dead or not but he does have some sort of ability . Gordon Smith is certainly one of the more interesting TV mediums because of his apparent sceptical approach. We shouldn't be thrown by his scepticisim, however, as this could be a clever strategy for gaining a token creditability whilst distinguishing himself from other mediums. Let's not forget he is still claiming the supernatural ability to communicate with passed spirits and is making a hell of a lot of money from doing so...
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Post by lowrider on Nov 16, 2006 20:57:08 GMT
And making money from doing TV and live shows is wrong of course? Even if he does offer free reading.
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Post by Ghostman on Nov 16, 2006 21:35:12 GMT
And making money from doing TV and live shows is wrong of course? Even if he does offer free reading. Yes, it is wrong providing he is a fraud, because even if he doesn't charge for readings, he is still making a living from deception by fooling clients into thinking he has communicated with the spirits of their deceased relatives. In other words his whole reputation, fame and fortune is built on the pretense that he can convey messages from spirits of dead people to the living...
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Post by lowrider on Nov 17, 2006 7:15:39 GMT
If you believe it is fraud fine. Others don't and choose of their own free will to go to a show and have entertainment with the possibility of a message for them. Not all attending will be the mythical middle ages housewife's hooked on mediums and clutching a memento from a dead loved one desperate for some contact. Despite many claims,but never backed up with facts and figures,of some sceptics.
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Post by Kim on Nov 17, 2006 8:53:14 GMT
How is anyone able to pass comment on him if they haven't seen him in real life? This will start to revolve round the fact that he earns money from TV performances ......blah,blah,blah!
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Post by whitewolf on Nov 17, 2006 9:06:00 GMT
i have not met him or seen him. But from what i see i am impressed with his accuracy. Yes skeppies will quantify this saying he is a cold reader, but some of the things ive seen of him, info passed to the sitter was very good.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Nov 17, 2006 9:31:17 GMT
I know he is a fraud, I have witnessed him bare face cold reading, i have seen him fail when he did not know the culture of the person he was reading.
The man is a fraud, a very clever fraud i will give you that.
Free will the first time they see him, i agree. If they get a reading then he is removing free will
Which is strange because nearly every show i have ever been too, the majority of people present were middle aged women, who would cry their eyes out at a drop of a hat.
I used my own eyes LR. Just take a look at the audience of any John Edward or Colin Fry show.
Gordon Smith is a fraud, he was taken off MH because he was boring, and NOT because of any honour or bulls*it
The man is a multimillionaire, who own manager and son do not believe in him.
That alone should tell you all there is to know
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Post by exile on Nov 17, 2006 9:52:09 GMT
I went to a psychic evening recently with just over 200 people there. I would say most were middle age women. What was funny was when the medium struggled to get someone to connect to what she was saying. She managed to get a flimsy link with someone near me, then a woman over on the other side of the hall started sobbing and had to leave. The medium asked what was wrong and she was told that everything she said reminded her of her own son. I bet the medium was p'd off because she had earlier disregarded her because she didn't know anyone called Chris. ;D ;D
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Post by whitewolf on Nov 17, 2006 9:53:08 GMT
how is giving someone a message removing their free will?
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Post by exile on Nov 17, 2006 9:54:16 GMT
The man next to me seemed determined that the message was for him, as well as the woman just in front of me.
They were all desperate for a message. Maybe they'd feel it a waste of an evening if they went home without the medium talking to them.
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Post by whitewolf on Nov 17, 2006 10:22:57 GMT
people have very high expectations when going to a demonstration. The hope they feel would be quite immense. Not getting one can be deflating.
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Post by lowrider on Nov 17, 2006 11:57:29 GMT
The man next to me seemed determined that the message was for him, as well as the woman just in front of me. They were all desperate for a message. Maybe they'd feel it a waste of an evening if they went home without the medium talking to them. 2 people out of 200,hardly a good sample to base any comment on.
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Post by whitewolf on Nov 17, 2006 12:05:17 GMT
1% great stats.
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Post by lowrider on Nov 17, 2006 12:05:33 GMT
Free will the first time they see him, i agree. If they get a reading then he is removing free will Eh Which is strange because nearly every show i have ever been too, the majority of people present were middle aged women, who would cry their eyes out at a drop of a hat. An assumption warped by your view point. Again nothing of any interest in proving motivation. You assume that all the middles aged woman,whose age you are guessing,are all desperate. Making things fit to your opinion Jon are not facts and figures. I used my own eyes LR. Just take a look at the audience of any John Edward or Colin Fry show. Make your mind up. If a medium is " good" on TV you say it is all editing and we should ignore TV shows. Yet you know,nope you have decided that he is cold reading. In the next breath you will be decrying if any message is crap. Good cold reader but crap messages. Paradox there Jon. Either or. The man is a multimillionaire, who own manager and son do not believe in him. That alone should tell you all there is to know It is so interesting how often money comes up with mediums and sceptics. Even if they win the lottery using the same odd as us all it is wrong. The "i am not jealous" argument is looking very thin.
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Post by whitewolf on Nov 17, 2006 12:07:28 GMT
its appears to me that if a medium is good, theyre a cheat or fake. if crap, then no abilty at all.
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Post by Ghostman on Nov 17, 2006 12:23:41 GMT
If you believe it is fraud fine. Others don't and choose of their own free will to go to a show and have entertainment with the possibility of a message for them. Not all attending will be the mythical middle ages housewife's hooked on mediums and clutching a memento from a dead loved one desperate for some contact. My argument only applies on the condition Smith is a fraudster. If this is the case, then he is making a good living as a con man. I agree not all people who have his readings, attends his shows, or buys his books will be vulnerable believers dealing with grief, but undoubtedly several will be. Do you mean sceptics should prove he is a fraud? I'm sure parapsychologists at the Koestler unit in Edinburgh would welcome testing his ability. Interestingly, on his website he claims to have been tested by astronomer, Professor Archie Roy, who is quoted saying "Gordon provides exact names, addresses, events and descriptions sharply relevant to a person's life and the lives of those they have knownProf. Archie E Roy, Emeritus Professor of Astronomy, Glasgow University I would like to read the paper on this...
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