you cant keep playing the victims card Jon. Its the person themselves that must decide that. You keep making a universal statement. Also as i have mentioned before, surely someone must prove there is no life after death. I cant see mr randi attended a court to give evidence. Its only your view they are commiting a crime. So are you acting on behalf of the government? or yourself? The uk and the world is full of psychics, and as so many point out, due to the "perfect" cold reading formula a medium will struggle to prove their worth. So i cant see the whole thing going away. Education works both ways Jon. As for me, due to ill health at the mo i am not doing anything. Soceity wont change, people will charge at times, thats an agreement between the "sitter" and the psychic. You cant stop the world Jon. Admirable as it may be. For whatever reasons, it will continue. So have you informed HRH that its all bollo* ? He may ask what your qualifications are. i now have a massive headache, i am off in search of a dark room. Just try to ease up on your view of the world. Nothing seems to satisfy you and you see everything as so negative. You call me gullible, i call you over reacting.
even though you do report on mediums and psychics, has it stopped them? i still see them doing what they do. Perhaps its a case of sticks and stones. People will always make up their own minds. Nobody will influence that, not mediums or sceptics. Its what they do for themselves in the end that matters. Have a nice weekend everyone.
and finally!!! i dont think you will ever prevent people going to seminars, churches or centres. They will always grow, so yes, you will have this forum, but as you said about hiding. a psychic addict wouldnt come here. no, i reckon its coz they are happy believeing in what they do. Not listen to half arsed theories. So until you have the ear of every single churchgoer etc, i am afraid jon, you will always have an uphill struggle. People will follow their hearts not the voices or opinions of sceptics trying to live their life for them. you still didnt answer about tele quiz shows, thats addictive and costly. that is a crime as far as i am concerned.
The truth is that any tests he had done were done by believers, other mediums and sensitives, they were NOT double blind in any way, and the results, methods, experements and recoprds etc have NEVER been released for analyses or critisism, that should tell you all you need to know.
Any scientist can tell you that when you do such tests you submit the papers for peer review and replication. This did NOT happen in Gordon Smiths case.
Jon, forgive me if this is tedious old news, as I expect, but I have just found this article from three years ago about Professor Archie Roy's research. It states:
Professor Roy's experiments, said to be the most conclusive to date, used scientific techniques such as double blind testing in which the medium and the recipients, or audience, were placed in separate rooms
The article goes on to say:
His work has already sparked fierce debate in the academic community. Yet even doubters have admitted his methodology seems sound, though many believe it will need to be replicated if it is to regarded as authoritative.
The remainder of the article mentions Gordon Smith's involvement, but doesn't go into detail about his results.
Jon, has this research since been panned by the scientifc community?
Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Nov 17, 2006 22:10:43 GMT
you cant keep playing the victims card Jon. Its the person themselves that must decide that. You keep making a universal statement.
An addict cant decide that, thats the point. Someone who has been conned and tehrefore truly believes cannot understand they are the victim until it is shown to them, and even then the addiction is so strong that they will ignore the truth.
Also as i have mentioned before, surely someone must prove there is no life after death.
NO NO NO NO How many times do i have to explain this unbelievably easy to undestand thing
YOU CANNOT PROVE A NEGATIVE. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE
HELLO IS THERE ANYONE IN THERE?
I cant see mr randi attended a court to give evidence. Its only your view they are commiting a crime. So are you acting on behalf of the government?
It is the view of the intelligent, sceptical and scientific community.
The uk and the world is full of psychics, and as so many point out, due to the "perfect" cold reading formula a medium will struggle to prove their worth.
The medium if real could easily prove their ability, it just seems strange that all the famous ones seem to cold read.
Education works both ways Jon. As for me, due to ill health at the mo i am not doing anything.
Sorry to hear about ill health I wonder who will help you, will it be science and medicine? or will it be spirit and reiki?
Nothing seems to satisfy you and you see everything as so negative. You call me gullible, i call you over reacting.
As a psychic you are part of the problem If you truly believe i am wrong then prove me so.
even though you do report on mediums and psychics, has it stopped them?
Simon Peters has been going round telling people that it is my fault he has dwindling audience numbers.
We may never be able to stop the mediums, but if we can educate enough people, then they will stop going to see that medium. It is a hard almost impossible fight, but without people fighting the war is over before it has even begun
i still see them doing what they do. Perhaps its a case of sticks and stones. People will always make up their own minds. Nobody will influence that, not mediums or sceptics. Its what they do for themselves in the end that matters. Have a nice weekend everyone.
I wont stop until mediumship is off of television, and the psychic is back on the peers.
A bad ass who will beat you like he's using the fists of god.
Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Nov 17, 2006 22:14:42 GMT
guidedspirithunter said:
Another thing!
How many people have died from an over dose of readings!
Grrrrrrrr!!!!
We simply dont know. Same as we dont know how many people have died from cocain abuse, or heroin abuse.
Someone may see a psychic get conned into believing their dead relative is alive, and then committ suicide to be with them. But because they have killed themselves we never know.
I am not saying that all psychic victims are addicts, some will just go for fun, some will go out of curiousity, but there are some that become addicts, i have met them, i have talked with them, and i have read thier books.
There is even a group for addicts to talk.
It is a very real problem
A bad ass who will beat you like he's using the fists of god.
Someone may see a psychic get conned into believing their dead relative is alive, and then committ suicide to be with them. But because they have killed themselves we never know.
Speculation of course just to try and add weight to your argument!
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intellingent people make up the spirtual following too. Great to have a cause, but as you are aware, its a very very difficult task. Dwindling numbers will only worry those with an ego or who is in it for the money. As for my health i do what i do. i take insulin, other medications, but it is of no consequence what i take, if i get back to where i should be then thats all that matters. The world through my eyes is so so different to yours. I embrace good things. Yes there is bad out there, but i will change what i wish to, what i can, and if i cant change things, i accept them. The education of spoke of working both ways will always happen. you addres how many at any given time? a medium or psychic or tele prog will address more. Peoples faith can be so strong, which is how it should be, but if they seek truth from a medium or sceptic, its their choice to seek it, not have thrust upon. They decide for themselves.
Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Nov 17, 2006 22:27:17 GMT
intellingent people make up the spirtual following too.
That is true, smart people can be conned too
Great to have a cause, but as you are aware, its a very very difficult task.
Yes very
Dwindling numbers will only worry those with an ego or who is in it for the money.
Yep thats correct
As for my health i do what i do. i take insulin, other medications, but it is of no consequence what i take, if i get back to where i should be then thats all that matters.
And i wish you all the best. Just remember that your medicine comes from science, from sceptics and not from airy fairy bulls*it like reiki, spiritual healing etc
The world through my eyes is so so different to yours.
I have noticed that many people who have had close brushes with death or who have to live with disease or disability, also have strong faith, sometimes the fear of the unknown a fear of death can create the delusion itself.
I embrace good things. Yes there is bad out there, but i will change what i wish to, what i can, and if i cant change things, i accept them.
So you accept the frauds, and you do nothing even though you are in a position to do so?
Peoples faith can be so strong, which is how it should be, but if they seek truth from a medium or sceptic, its their choice to seek it, not have thrust upon. They decide for themselves.
People seek the truth from mediums, but rarely if ever do they get it Instead they get delusion, they get conned, or they get fantasy.
A bad ass who will beat you like he's using the fists of god.