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Post by fromtheotherside on Nov 21, 2006 14:10:29 GMT
It has been suggested a few times now that when a believer/medium deletes themselves from this forum that it is a lack of their belief that they do not stand and fight as such.
I have deleted myself on many occasion from here, I know I certainly have my belief in the spirit world,and no god damn debate will shake that in me!
The reason I personally have deleted myself from here is out of pure rage or just a sense of I cant be asked.
If you believed in something,something so important so very real to you personally,something that is not just built from faith but love of that something. then someone comes along and no matter what you try, no how you try to explain or discuss it is ripped to shreds and your ridiculed for holding that belief,having that faith,that love.
And no matter what, you will be banging your head against a brick wall...would you get a tad pissed off? A tad wild at being ridiculed.
believers/mediums etc are human beings,we feel the same darn things as everyone. we are not more special than anyone on this earth. we mourn,we grieve,we cry,we hurt,we laugh,we love.
It is only a few that see mediums/believers etc as something different to anyone else. We are not different in any way what so ever to anyone else, we just have a different belief and faith to some.
So when someone deletes there account on here,it isn't them giving up,it is them having enough of the bulls*it that some spew toward there belief.
Would you keep visiting someone you initially started visiting just to chat,and have a wee discussion and swap opinions but as time goes on you realise is simply putting you down all the time,tearing you to pieces,ridiculing you for what you personally believe?
No you bloody well wouldn't, if you did then your a mug!
It doesn't say a thing about the person who went round to visit,its about the w**ker who they visited thats at fault!
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Post by Kim on Nov 21, 2006 14:47:24 GMT
Hi Kendra,
I agree with your post.
I know this is a forum for public points of view but seems to lack compassion towards other peoples (that being mediums) feelings and view points.
We are all aware that this is fore mostly a forum to "seek and destroy" fake mediums, however when a medium is brave enough to come here and tell their story them seem to get bombarded with negatives all the time.
I understand that we all have different opinions, beliefs and faiths but to be constantly put down for that is very demoralising.
I come here to read what everyone has to say, and to a certain extent I do find myself backing up mediums and this is because I am astounded sometimes how people are spoken to.
Not everything is black and white, there are grey areas and these areas aren't really addressed. They are more shunned, pushed aside and people are told they are deluded and psychotic amongest other things. Why? Why are people any of these things just because they are different!
To come on here a lay yourself open is a personal choice, but one I think commands more respect.
Kim
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Post by mamagpi on Nov 21, 2006 14:51:04 GMT
Well said Kendra......
I wont delete myself because people on here may not believe in what I believe in or agree with it, if I get slightly peed off I just stay away for a while or read other threads on the forum.
I wont defend my beliefs any more, why should I tbh, but I dont get as peed off as I used to either. I only have to prove things to myself and not to others !!
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Post by PILLSBURY on Nov 21, 2006 15:15:12 GMT
I have always been a believer but a sceptical one and I find it frustrating that because science has not yet proved the paranormal that we are the cavemen and the sceptics are the ultra intelligent future people. I think the problem lies with those fakes and frauds that we all know exist and who use peoples need for life after death to make money. I have been involved in disagreements on here and told not to post again but I refuse to lie down and will stand up for my beliefs. It is a regular occurence on here for people to pick quotes out of your comments and slap you down and it is easy to walk away . I do think however that beleivers are also guilty on here. If you have experienced something paranormal then you know what that means to you but to the sceptic that experience isnt personal to them and therefore no proof it is real has been provided. It is always going to be a case of no proof no deal with sceptics and cynics and that is why this forum will remain a place for debate until that proof is given.If you truly believ then stand up and be counted dont delete yourself but post more often.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Nov 21, 2006 15:47:35 GMT
Look guys, I know i can be harsh at times.
Andi WILL be any mediums harshest critic.
BUT BUT BUT even kendra will admit she has learnt a lot from me as i have from her.
Regardless of what people do in real life or on the net, if you can survive on this forum, survive the critisism then you can survive anything.
We have mediums on here, believers, sceptics, fence sitters and more.
Where else will you find a forum as vibrant, as exciting and as mixed as this one.
I am just one voice, one person on here, and nothing i say should ever make anyone leave here, if they do it is more an example of their own ability to face critisism than anything else.
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Post by longnutts on Nov 21, 2006 17:21:14 GMT
I agree, I don't have the intention on leaving. I must admit I've been tempted as I felt I was fighting a loosing battle but I ain't going to give in. I know what I believe in.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Nov 21, 2006 17:31:58 GMT
You must also be prepared to learn too LN. Dont just accept you know best and that you are right.
There are people here who do know more than you, who have gone through what you are going through.
I asked Kendra to talk to you,because I knew that you would simply not listen to me.
I have asked a medium, someone who i have argued with more than anyone else, arguments that make what i said to Adrian seem like school yard banter in comparison.
That should let you know my respect for Kendra, that i would step back and ask her to talk to you.
Regardless of my beliefs, i know that she is extremely responsible, and only wants the best for people. Listen to her, trust her, and trust that we only mean good to you.
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Post by lowrider on Nov 21, 2006 17:32:05 GMT
I agree with many points on here. I am a medium and plain to stubborn to go so in the end Jon made me an admin.  But that is a point,many of the items on here that cause concern are discussed at length between the Admin,it is all not just Jon. I have expressed the same points that Kendra raised myself with Jon in the last couple of days.  My advice for anyone is,hard as it maybe,remember this is a forum. Most of the people mean nothing to you in the real world. If someone pisses you off and Jon and people like him have pissed me off many times, i take a couple of minutes to calm down,re read the post then come up with a sweetness and light post mixed with logic and questions that always pisses THEM off. It works and i would hope makes them think on mediumship instead of simply trotting out the usual rubbish that we have heard many times before but for some reason they think is their brilliant original idea.  This is a forum,treat it like that and not as real life,no one know if you take half an hour to think of a good reply. Not like real life. Enjoy.  |
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Nov 21, 2006 17:40:50 GMT
And glad i did.
Bloody female admins are always bossing me and LR around!!
DAMN YOU
I love the old favourites
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Post by lowrider on Nov 21, 2006 17:44:48 GMT
Bloody female admins are always bossing me and LR around!! Ok SOME parts of the forum ARE like real life. |
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Post by Little Claire on Nov 21, 2006 17:52:40 GMT
I agree, I don't have the intention on leaving. I must admit I've been tempted as I felt I was fighting a loosing battle but I ain't going to give in. I know what I believe in. It's not a battle Longnutts. We have people on here with dramatically different views and very few arguments are won by either side but that doesn't stop them being debated. That's what the forum is all about. Stand up for what you believe in but don't expect to convert anyone, especially Jon because he's alway right.......apparantly |
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Post by lowrider on Nov 21, 2006 17:53:57 GMT
Of course he is male. |
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Post by Little Claire on Nov 21, 2006 18:00:45 GMT
Good point. ;D
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Post by mamagpi on Nov 21, 2006 18:44:46 GMT
Of course he is male. sorry LR but you men are only right when us women tell you you are |
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Post by longnutts on Nov 21, 2006 18:59:19 GMT
I don't set out to convert that's for sure. Only to hope to at least broaden one's mind.
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Post by leahj on Nov 21, 2006 20:15:53 GMT
Hi Kendra I'm a sceptic but I hope you won't mind if I put in my 2p's worth. I've been on online fora for about 9 years and have never deleted a post that I've put up. Why? Because I have a right to my opinion, no matter what. And so do you!! To my mind, to delete my post is almost like saying I'm not confident in my views or a don't have a right to air them. So, no matter who says what to you, you have the RIGHT to hold your views. I don't agree with them but I'll defend to the death your right to hold them!  |
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Nov 21, 2006 21:43:22 GMT
I doubt you would actually put you rlife on the line just so Kendra could say how much she hates me
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Post by mamagpi on Nov 22, 2006 10:46:10 GMT
BP has a reputation for being harsh, and yes they come down hard on all the psychic/mediums, but you can still get a good debate on here and in my opinion it doesnt matter what the site is like or who runs it, if your offended by the site, then dont go on it.
There are times I could strangle Jon because of his opinions and if I have a strong opinion about something I will argue with him, but at the same time if I am not sure of something I will back down and try and get more info, rather than show myself up talking about something I know nothing about.
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Post by leahj on Nov 22, 2006 10:50:53 GMT
Okay, okay maybe I would actually die to defend defend Kendra's right to say she hates you. Besides, I doubt she really hates you, you probably just get up her nose from time to time. ;D My point was that everyone should feel free to state what they believe whether or not others agree with them, and whether or not they are logical and/or sensible. |
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Nov 22, 2006 11:45:22 GMT
Should someone be allowed on here to give their opinion of how rape and murder is ok?
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