Do they ALL decieve people who have lost their loved ones?
You must know this is a provocative question, Mia, which I'm sure will cause some weary regular mediums to raise their eyes to the ceiling
I certainly think some mediums believe in their powers for whatever reason. Judging from mediums' posts on this forum (such as lowrider and Kendra), I am given every indication that these people believe in their abilites.
I am a sceptic, the way i see it is if a spirit wanted to make contact they would do it directly and not through a medium.
Some mediums think anybody can develop the sensitivity to be a medium, while others claim it to be an exclusive gift for the miniority. Mediums commonly refer to their supernatural ability as a gift, which they have developed over many years.
They can raise their eyes all they want, but i refuse to believe at the moment that what they do is genuine.
They believe in their abilities fair enough.......but do i believe in their abilities, no.
But im making the point of saying.....are they all lying. Could there be a possibility that some are telling the truth, maybe.....but until i see a medium give clear exact details, i can't believe.
i agree mia, its fine by me if they believe they can contact the dead, but until i see or hear it with my own eyes, i cant believe it. and i doubt me saying that will offend any medium on here, the ones i know that are mediums would understand i think.
Do they ALL decieve people who have lost their loved ones?
To answer that simply, YES. Either on purpose or not, it is the same.
Every day we have more and more people who think they are mediums, it is no longer a special gift, but instead it is something for people to claim to mak ethem feel special, problem is the more mediums we have the less special it becomes.
If the world learned how to fix toilets we wouldnt need plumbers would we.
I am a sceptic, the way i see it is if a spirit wanted to make contact they would do it directly and not through a medium.
Exactly. I honestly cant see any spirit going to a medium, knowing they will charge their loved ones money to speak to them, the whole idea of spirit allowing that is a joke.
If spirit were real they would appear to their loved ones, speak to them directly.
Over hundreds of thousands of years, i am sure if real spirits wouldve found an easy way to speak to anyone, and not just crystal wearing, money grabbing, insecure noobs.
But when you think about how many mediums there are, sometimes i wonder.....can they ALL be lying?
No they are not all lying, but they are deluding themselves. Just think logically for a second.
Why do mediums have this magical power, yet some of teh smartest people in the world dont? If you wanted to give a gift to a human to use to help make a difference, you would give it to a top physics professor, or chemical engineer, someone who could actually look at how it is happening etc.
You wouldnt give it to camp hair dressers would you?
Being a medium is purely about wanting to feel special, conning people, or simply mental health problems.
Can all mediums really be that cruel.
It isnot about being cruel, it is infact the opposite, it is the delusion that you are helping people, the justification to take money from people. The old excuse of "Well i need to make a living"
Well if you need to make a living, GET A REAL FUCKING JOB.
We are told that life is ever lasting, and when we die we join our loved ones, well if that is the case we dont need mediums.
You see the whole idea of talking to the dead makes no sense, and since EVERYTHING a medium can do, can be 100% replicated by none mediums, and since no medium in history has even gotten close to proving ANY ability, i would say it is a pretty safe bet that i am right.
A bad ass who will beat you like he's using the fists of god.
i agree mia, its fine by me if they believe they can contact the dead, but until i see or hear it with my own eyes, i cant believe it..
And it is that comment that mediums love. The fact that people like me and you are desperate to believe. The fact that we want to see it with our own eyes etc.
If someone makes a magical claim, then of course people want to see it with their own eyes.
Now imagine that instead of one person you have thousands all making the same claim, if one is fake, you just go to another, then another and so on.
The old excuse of "Well unless you see every medium in teh world you cant say they are all fake"
Thats a classic line, basically means, you keep wasting your money on these frauds, because there will always be another snakeoil salesman ready to take your money from you.
It is simple, if you have ever worked as a medium and taken money from someone to speak to THEIR dead relative, then in my opinion you are a lower form of life
A bad ass who will beat you like he's using the fists of god.
Maybe they can't? I'm just playing devils' advocate until Kendra gets here, but if it takes training and ability to recieve contact, then without training and ability what hope have we of recieving anything, and moreover, what *right* have we to expect contact without it?
I often wonder, when mediums have meetings what do they discuss.
Are they genuine meetings to learn from each other, or do they have a good laugh and compare notes on how many people they have duped and how much money they are making.
My wife has a friend who practices massage, reiki and all sorts of things. It was through her that I obtained my level one reiki for no more than sixty quid. Anyway, she is a very nice lady; consise, thorough, go-getting, no-nonsense and seemingly level-headed, and yet is a great advocate of things spiritual.
Under no circumstances would I ever call her (or think of her as) a fraud, and yet I am a skeptic, so how do I see her? How does she see herself and other people of a similer mindest as herself? I don't know, really I don't. She believes, I'm sure, but how can someone so level headed in all other matters believe?
I went to some of the meetings held by groups wishing to progress their abilities. There were a lot of relaxation techniques practiced along with 'freeform healing' and other such things. I had no doubt that all the people there genuinely belived. (There was no money involved)
You said no money changed hands, yet you paid 60 quid for your level one reiki!
Considering reiki is considered "a system or enlightenment and hands on healing", how can you justify paying for something that might also be fradulent? ..... and yet claim you are a sceptic...I am lost!
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I've never been to see a medium - and it isn't in my grand plan to either.
However, I have a friend who is a great believer in them. Perhaps she has been lucky in the ones she has seen. To her she has been provided with enough information that was only known to her, to believe.
In January, my ex's brother law died. She had been good friends with him in the past. Her father died almost 18 months ago. She went to see a medium, looking for comfort that her dad was ok. Although she is certain her dad contacted her, so did my ex's brother.
She is certain she has her prove that it is genuine.
You said no money changed hands, yet you paid 60 quid for your level one reiki!
Considering reiki is considered "a system or enlightenment and hands on healing", how can you justify paying for something that might also be fradulent? ..... and yet claim you are a sceptic...I am lost!
Fair point - the reiki was something I got into from my wife's friend, and at that time I was not a skeptic. I had to pay for that, but my point was that I was not required to present anything by way of training or ability - only cash!
The spiritual meetings were a seperate thing, and free. I was not a skeptic when I attended them.
This all occured about four years ago. I have since become a skeptic.
The definition of the word "lie" from the Oxford English Dictionary
noun [C] something that you say which you know is not true:
I don't believe that mediums can do what they say they can however, based on the definition above I don't feel I can say they ALL lie either as some of them believe what they are doing therefore to them it is true.
Do all mediums lie. Yes,but i could be lying. But proof of a mediums ability's or lack of will always be personal. That is something i have stated over and over again. Why don't they come direct,they do. Has no one never felt a presence,which of course your logical side then dismisses. Has no one ever smelt a familiar perfume or another aroma,pipe tobacco for example. Had a dream about a loved one. All can be imagined,many can be explained away,but if you ignore them how can you say "why don't spirit come direct". But if you hear from a medium facts that know one else can know would that have more meaning then "your imagination" which is what you would but any contact down to. What would you as a sceptic expect a loved one to do to convince you that they are trying to make contact?
You said no money changed hands, yet you paid 60 quid for your level one reiki!
Considering reiki is considered "a system or enlightenment and hands on healing", how can you justify paying for something that might also be fradulent? ..... and yet claim you are a sceptic...I am lost!
Fair point - the reiki was something I got into from my wife's friend, and at that time I was not a skeptic. I had to pay for that, but my point was that I was not required to present anything by way of training or ability - only cash!
The spiritual meetings were a seperate thing, and free. I was not a skeptic when I attended them.
This all occured about four years ago. I have since become a skeptic.
Just out of interest, when you paid for reiki training, you say you were not a sceptic then. Does that mean you don't practice it anymore?
If so what made you think you could do it in the first place and what if anything changed your views?
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No, I certainly don't practice it anymore! That would be tantamount to deception!
What made me think I could do it was that I seemed to gain something from the free sessions given to me by my wife's friend, and decided to go to the meetings I mentioned. I was encouraged to develop it based on how good I supposidly was at the meetings. Everyone there encouraged me to go ahead with it, so I did.
What can I say? Self deception can be a *very* powerful thing.
I owe my change of views to Derek Acorah. Honestly! I just could not buy his act any more, and started looking on the net to see if anyone else felt like I did about him, and then I found BP...