Do ALL Mediums lie?

[fromtheotherside]

diggergig said:

No, I certainly don't practice it anymore! That would be tantamount to deception!

What made me think I could do it was that I seemed to gain something from the free sessions given to me by my wife's friend, and decided to go to the meetings I mentioned. I was encouraged to develop it based on how good I supposidly was at the meetings. Everyone there encouraged me to go ahead with it, so I did.

What can I say? Self deception can be a *very* powerful thing.

I owe my change of views to Derek Acorah. Honestly! I just could not buy his act any more, and started looking on the net to see if anyone else felt like I did about him, and then I found BP...

So you gave up because of Derek Acorah..
Because somoene pretends they can bake a cake doesnt mean all people who claim the same cant!

[diggergig]

It wasn't as sudden as that, merely the point at which change began to occur, and he wasn't the only one who made me become what I am today, but he was the first.

At around the same time as coming to BP, I also found the James Randi forum, and from there many others. Perhaps if there is a heaven and hell, satan owns the internet.

Or perhaps stark reality is showing through at last? I wouldn't say I'm happy about it, but at the same time I cannot cling to something I no longer belive to be true. I feel stuck between a rock and a hard place. I felt the same way when I found out about Santa, only this is a more profound version of that unwelcome but nesessary experiance.

[Kim]

What can I say? Self deception can be a *very* powerful thing.

And so can forced opinions!

[diggergig]

I agree.

EDIT: Although I'm not sure what your point is in relation to my last post, if indeed it is.

[fromtheotherside]

diggergig said:

Maybe they can't? I'm just playing devils' advocate until Kendra gets here, but if it takes training and ability to recieve contact, then without training and ability what hope have we of recieving anything, and moreover, what *right* have we to expect contact without it?

makes perfect sense matey,plus also how do we know they arnt trying to attempt to make thereselves known to non developed mediums/sceptics etc etc. By dismissing everything how do we know we havent missed so very much

[fromtheotherside]

diggergig said:

It wasn't as sudden as that, merely the point at which change began to occur, and he wasn't the only one who made me become what I am today, but he was the first.

At around the same time as coming to BP, I also found the James Randi forum, and from there many others. Perhaps if there is a heaven and hell, satan owns the internet.

Or perhaps stark reality is showing through at last? I wouldn't say I'm happy about it, but at the same time I cannot cling to something I no longer belive to be true. I feel stuck between a rock and a hard place. I felt the same way when I found out about Santa, only this is a more profound version of that unwelcome but nesessary experiance.

But what about you DG? regardless of DA ,Randi etc..what did you feel,what was the reaction of you by others?
Its what you feel in yourself,what you personally believe about yourself that matters..regardless of others opinions on others,its what opinions there are of you form others,and how you feel and believe yourself!
Your belief must have been upon personal experiences surely

[Kim]

diggergig said:

I agree.

EDIT: Although I'm not sure what your point is in relation to my last post, if indeed it is.

It was a general comment to the sentance you wrote

[mesmo]

koolg said:

I often wonder, when mediums have meetings what do they discuss.

Are they genuine meetings to learn from each other, or do they have a good laugh and compare notes on how many people they have duped and how much money they are making.

I suspect it is like the Hans Christian Anderson fable of The Kings New Clothes - everybody knows what they are expecting to see/hear/feel etc - I wonder - has any Medium gone to a meeting as such and decided to stand up and denounce the whole thing?

[lowrider]

mesmo said:

koolg said:

I often wonder, when mediums have meetings what do they discuss.

Are they genuine meetings to learn from each other, or do they have a good laugh and compare notes on how many people they have duped and how much money they are making.

I suspect it is like the Hans Christian Anderson fable of The Kings New Clothes - everybody knows what they are expecting to see/hear/feel etc - I wonder - has any Medium gone to a meeting as such and decided to stand up and denounce the whole thing?

You asume that such meetings take place.
I have never been to or heard of one.

[diggergig]

fromtheotherside said:

diggergig said:

It wasn't as sudden as that, merely the point at which change began to occur, and he wasn't the only one who made me become what I am today, but he was the first.

At around the same time as coming to BP, I also found the James Randi forum, and from there many others. Perhaps if there is a heaven and hell, satan owns the internet.

Or perhaps stark reality is showing through at last? I wouldn't say I'm happy about it, but at the same time I cannot cling to something I no longer belive to be true. I feel stuck between a rock and a hard place. I felt the same way when I found out about Santa, only this is a more profound version of that unwelcome but nesessary experiance.

But what about you DG? regardless of DA ,Randi etc..what did you feel,what was the reaction of you by others?
Its what you feel in yourself,what you personally believe about yourself that matters..regardless of others opinions on others,its what opinions there are of you form others,and how you feel and believe yourself!
Your belief must have been upon personal experiences surely

Ah, but personal experiance is subjective by its' very nature, and subjectivity is not something upon which a system of understanding ones' environment should purely be based - or be based on at all perhaps!

In such a way a blind man thinks the world is black.

Waking dreams, hallucinations, natural weather phenomenon etc., have all been interpreted as supernatural at some stage in our development as a species, but that which we once discerned it to be has not!

[Mr. Jon Donnis]

I would say that some meetings between mediums as open and talk about their cons etc.

I would say that more general meetings between mediums who may not openly admit their fraud, is more like certain looks and unspoken words.

And of course meetings between the deluded must be great, all as loopy as each other

[lowrider]

admin said:

I would say that some meetings between mediums as open and talk about their cons etc.

I would say that more general meetings between mediums who may not openly admit their fraud, is more like certain looks and unspoken words.

And of course meetings between the deluded must be great, all as loopy as each other

As opposed to a meeting of sceptics all agreeing that they know best.
Oh thats the JREF forum

[quackersgpi]

I agree that there are probably some meetings between mediums where they do gloat over their ability to dupe people. Conversation that go along the lines of
"you'l never guess what I told a woman last wekk..and she believed every word..AND she paid me"

However, I think these are only one part of it. I am sure that many meetings and classes are very serious and talk about mediumship etc on a very sensible level. (sensible of course in terms of what they believe to be so). I have no doubt that they take these meetings or classes very seriously as they believe they are doing what they say. This is where the "Lie" thing comes in. To them they are not lying because they believe what they are saying to be true.

[longhorn]

Why are these fakes not prosecuted under the fraudulent mediums act like other con artists can be? just taking advantage of grieving people. What I think is the worst thing is if you ask some people why they visit shows they reply 'its only entertainment', this is a totally mindless way to look it

[Me]

longhorn said:

Why are these fakes not prosecuted under the fraudulent mediums act like other con artists can be? just taking advantage of grieving people. What I think is the worst thing is if you ask some people why they visit shows they reply 'its only entertainment', this is a totally mindless way to look it

It would help if The SNU actually did something..but as long as these keeps getting bums on seats in teh churches and then there memberships are paid...

You didnt think the memberships that are paid goes to the church did ya?

[Mr. Jon Donnis]

Yes Kendra is right
Unfortunately the SNU, and the industry in general is so rife with fraud, that they tend to protect themselves, and any medium who speaks out against a fake is instantly vilified and attacked.

This is turn makes "honest" mediums very scared to speak out.

The FMA in itself is a joke, and is easy to get around.

These days the only way a psychic gets prosecuted is if they have committed fraud on a big scale, like taking thousands off someone.

The fraud of taking £20 off someone is almost worthless to take to court as it is only a small amount of money.

It takes thousands to prosecute someone, and imagine you take someone to court, the most they will get is a small fine, thats it.
So pretty much anyone can be a medium, con as many people as they like and they are basically untouchable.

[Mr. Jon Donnis]

Back to the original question of Do all mediums lie?

Well Kendra once told me her hair was naturally blonde, and her skin was naturally tanned.

;D

[PILLSBURY]

I do not know if all mediums lie, Like in all walks of lie there are charlatans and frauds but the one point I did want to make was in response to the comment of why dont spirits contact us directly and about people being trained as mediums. Have you considered that not all of us can do everything? I can take apart a computer and rebuild it but I cant hang wallpaper. My wife is a brilliant cook but cant drive for toffee. Every job requires training, from lawyers to hairdressers to bin men. Maybe the art of mediumship is a natural gift for some like a footballers natural gift but the rest of us need to be trained. We know so little about the human brain ,so who is to say we dont all have this ability but need to be trained. Many of us have had that feel of someone behind us or smelt our grannys perfume and cant explain why? so maybe we need to have our senses trained to communicate.

[Me]

admin said:

Back to the original question of Do all mediums lie?

Well Kendra once told me her hair was naturally blonde, and her skin was naturally tanned.

;D

Oh ha ha ha your too funny
My hair is naturally blonde..hubby can verify that if need be,but i dont think it needs to go to that length..and it was during the summer I believe I met you in London and we went for a srummy Italian...Summer= tan..as colder months come and go= I stay tanned via sunbed or bronzer..

[Mr. Jon Donnis]

kendra said:

Oh ha ha ha your too funny
My hair is naturally blonde..hubby can verify that if need be,but i dont think it needs to go to that length..

When we met your hair was ginger! The photos i have seen of you when you were younger, it was ginger
You should embrace your gingerness, dont fear it.

I like ginger haired people.

and it was during the summer I believe I met you in London and we went for a srummy Italian...Summer= tan..as colder months come and go= I stay tanned via sunbed or bronzer..

That pizza was nice to be fair.
Even if Becky hates me these days.