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Post by conbott on Aug 16, 2008 15:19:48 GMT
Well the future of the paranormal channel seems to be set for a while. After watching Whines and Spirits on Thursday night Karl Beattie informed the viewing audience that there will be another series of this dreadful show. I've looked at next weeks sky channel listings and W&S's is listed again. It's either a mistake, rerun or the new series, all of which do nothing to keep my food down may I add. The Three Screaming Banshees is looming on the horizon somewhere. When will the madness end?
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Post by fluffet on Aug 16, 2008 20:20:37 GMT
"The Three Screaming Banshees is looming on the horizon somewhere. When will the madness end? "
Hopefully with three screaming banshees careering in a vw camper "last of the summer wine " style into a giant haystack on way to their first (and last ) investigation .
I can just sooooo see their vision for this upcoming show and the decibel level involved when the the three of them get together so im not exactly counting the hours .
Wonder if this whole venture is now proving to be a resounding viewing figure failure if not a financial one for the antix team ?
May just be their downfall if they continue to invest in its upkeep ...id give it to the end of next year before it crashes and burns.
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Post by Mike on Aug 17, 2008 16:06:39 GMT
I can almost certainly assure you that this channel will run MH if living ever 'gives up the ghost' shall we say (insert posh titter here). I think thats another reason why they invested into the channel.
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Post by fluffet on Aug 17, 2008 20:47:20 GMT
Maybe they have already heard rumblings from Living along the lines of "most haunted isnt doing the biz it was , make good with the viewing figures or kiss goodbye to your parking space at Living towers " and thats why the did invest in their own channel Crashcat so you could have apoint there . But if that did happen and they took MH to their own channel it would only serve to put the coffin nail in the MH franchise for good unless they could convince the yanks to buy into it more heavily and show it more over there or invest . If i was the boss of a channel looking to invest in a paranormal show like MH id run a mile at the moment , simply because without radical changes or something fresh id be buying the equivalent of a well flogged horse ready for the glue factory and no amount of spin from antix could convince me otherwise . Ten years ago it would have been a good investment , but now you'd be buying in at the death knell of a now over used and repetative concept .
Point camera , throw stone , make noise , claim it is spooky then scream to reinforce your claim pointlessly , repeat for at least 100 episodes . Hire shamlessly ham acting medium , claim they are brilliant , then change your mind and expose them when their acting becomes so bad even the cast of crossroads look like oscar winners next to them , repeat for another 100 episodes . Let your two lead charmless chuckle brothers become self obsessed egotists who revel in pretending they are goading and challenging ghosts to attack them , pretend ghosts ARE attacking them , piss off your new cuddle friendly medium by laughing at his attempts to warn of the big bad scary ghosts till he buggers off , repeat for 100 episodes . Hire endless reincarnations of previous mediums who are happy to look stupid , allow your main host to become overbearing ,annoying and frankly now a comic pastiche of herself , go abroad in a depserate attempt to find new locations you havent already done at least three times before , cling to the hope that no ones noticed after 100s of episodes of the SAME THING , repeat till your last fan has repetitive retina strain and finally switches off like the millions of others have before them . Let me see that takes up to HMMMMM anyday now !
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Post by brandy1 on Aug 21, 2008 8:35:20 GMT
Personally, I think the premise of a Paranormal Channel is actually quite good. The problem seems to be that Antix don't really seem to know whether they want it to be a factual station along the lines of Discovery etc or a pure entertainment provider like say the Sci-Fi Channel. I believe they have attempted to mix both types and it doesn't quite work. The programmes have been poorly selected and remain so months after the launch. The pre-launch promotion was incorrect (where are the celebrity ghost hunters on Whines & Spirits Fielding told us about?) and the station remains in a continual time loop of repeats. Antix have over-estimated both their popularity through Most Haunted and potential audience growth. They know the viewing figures for previous MH and MH Live so they believed more of the same would get the viewers in. WRONG!!!!! Most Haunted was in trouble when Acorah left and has never recovered. The idea is old hat and attempting to produce new programmes like W&S and the 3 Banshees which are a re-hash of MH vigils is not going to get people watching. I think the whole thing is amateurish to say the least. Antix don't seem to realise that the popularity of MH was the mediums. Acorah still is a scam artist but in the eyes of TV he was entertainment. Fielding's arrogance/vanity has led her to believe that she was the star and the mediums were a side line. I admit I watched MH for Acorah. Simple as that. Does anyone notice that there doesn't seem to be any mediums on the paranormal channel? There's plenty of them out there all gasping for their breath of TV airtime. But none on the Paranormal Channel. Does this mean Antix don't want to be associated with something (as with Acorah) which might endanger their reputation? Could be, but then again, getting someone to through a pint glass at your cousin, pretend he's a celebrity, repeat premise with another show, show it continually night after night along with Michael Aspel (has he ever been on TV as much, I hope he's not paid on appearances) Arthur C Clarke and BA Robertson doesn't exactly get you a BAFTA does it?
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Post by conbott on Aug 21, 2008 12:37:33 GMT
"Does this mean Antix don't want to be associated with something (as with Acorah) which might endanger their reputation?" The problem is brandy1 they're going to use that ridiculous psychic Brian Shepard in the new MH live. He has constantly damaged their reputations time and time again and yet he's on AGAIN. I have never, never believed that Derek Acorah is genuine, ever. BUT we knew what to expect with him, but Shepard constantly diverts their attention, when asked for a name or description, etc. Honestly he is the first person I've ever known to be bleeped for blaspheming like he did in the last MH series. Personally I think Fielding and Beattie have taken too much on and are wanting MH live to end but they have a contract with Living TV. It makes N0 SENSE why they would have Shepard anywhere near them. You're right there are no mediums on the paranormal channel just constant cheap, tacky and poor quality programmes repeated infinitely. I hate clicking on the channel in case I'm classed as a viewer but I do like Arthur C Clarke and Strange But True. Again they know that no other channels air these two programmes because otherwise they would be in a lot more trouble. Their arrogance and egos are out of control. It's silly I know but just the amount of airbrushed photographs of Yvette and Karl bandied around the internet turns my stomach. If there's any logic and common sense this paranormal channel will come to an end. But of course Karl did say last week, see you next series. Time will tell I suppose.
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Post by brandy1 on Aug 22, 2008 10:53:46 GMT
Conbott, are you saying that Antix are deliberately trying to get Most Haunted Live chucked off the Living schedules by making it look even crappier than it already is? You might be on to a conspiracy theory here. They could be trying to get Living to cancel the contract and start the format on Paranormal free of any legal implications. I just get the feeling Beattiie and Fielding see psychics as a liability but Living want them on the show. So what better way to get the show bounced out than bring on board this plank. I bet once they get the format on to Paranormal the mediums will be dispensed with. Here's the arrogance of Antix, I think... they think the mediums are the problem for their exposure to fraud not the Samurai and The Flying Picket chucking pint glasses and stones at each other. This site and its investigators have done a fantastic job opening people's brains to fraudulent mediums and Antix know this. I reckon they're desperate to dump the mediums (the reason they talk to them like dirt-even if they are) but Living loves them. Antix is a business pure and simple. The mediums are affecting their reputation (in their eyes) so they want rid.
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Post by conbott on Aug 22, 2008 13:55:07 GMT
Well said brandy1. I truly cannot think why anyone would have Brian Shepard anywhere near them. Y and K know they're contracted to Living and cannot get out of it at the snap of a finger.
When MH first started I used to love it, even though I knew DA was a conman. DA left a trail of destruction behind him to an already dubious and shaky show. Lots of fans who'd heard Yvette say it was all real and never fake realised this was a con. I'd started doubting it before this and it just confirmed my suspicions. Ciaran was told to keep schtum, even though his job entails revealing any fraudulent or fake goings on. So the one person who has any credibility can't say bugger all anymore.
THEN after David Wells left the show we get Mr Shepard. He's a complete and utter fraud that embarassed them 100%. Like I said earlier at least with DA we knew what was coming but this guy is a joke (and not a funny one either). WHY would anyone go near him, EVER. You see to their adoring fans this kind of thinking won't usually enter their minds. But surely even their devoted followers must question their reasoning in having anything to do with Shepard again. The plus side will hopefully be that MH will lose huggings of fans. If the fans would just step back and ask themselves why would MH touch this man and really try hard to rationalize it they may come to similar conclusions to ourselves.
The way I see it is if a company fired an employee (DA) because they were losing jobs and money, why on earth would they hire someone else (BS) who ends up losing them even more money and jobs. Where is the logic in that, I can tell you, there is NONE. Being smug and egotistical like Yvette, etc, have become will hopefully be their down fall.
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Post by brandy1 on Aug 22, 2008 14:39:06 GMT
Good post Conbott. I really do hope they lose the fans as quick as possible. I still think Shepherd is a ploy to get mediums off the show or get it cancelled altogether. But I've just thought, the mediums were always the most popular part of Most Haunted and have always stole the show from the self-appointed real "star" Fielding. Perhaps they think Shepherd's stage presence is so crap even he cannot steal the glitz from Fielding. Remember Fielding has always been jealous of the popularity of what she feels were secondary characters like Acorah and Richard Felix. That's the thing about Antix, remain a loyal disciple like Cath Howe or Fester and you'll be ok. Start to branch out using your Most Haunted fame like Acorah and Felix and they'll drop you at the first chance. Shepherd hasn't got the talent, persona or brains to do this, that's why he's on the show.
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Post by conbott on Aug 22, 2008 14:55:51 GMT
Even better than my post that brandy1. Exactly, Brian Shepard doesn't gain himself notoriety and shove Fielding and her minnions (sucks ups) to one side like DA and Richard Felix did. Cath Howe and Fester (that still tickles me) are yes men and are forever in Yvette's shadow. Y's "I want my own way" and "I'm the star here" personality didn't bother me for a few years. But boy it does now. Look at all the people, and there's been many, who've left MH. I'm surprised that nothing really has come through the grape vine like arguments or they left because they knew it was fake. The closest thing I've found was an interview that Jason Karl had with Jon Donni. When asked about his feelings on Yvette and Karl he said "no comment". There's time yet though. If one of the ex MH team would say something it could hopefully snowball. I wait in anticipation. ;D
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Post by shmumph on Aug 22, 2008 17:16:05 GMT
Am certain I heard in an interview with Yvette recently that she herself was in training to become a medium, so that would work out perfectly for them if they were to go their seperate ways with Living they wouldn't need a guest medium on the show anymore
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Post by traceyg on Aug 24, 2008 20:52:40 GMT
I did have a laugh today! I had the paranormal channel on this morning and was watching Strange but True with Michael Aspel, it was about the village of Pluckley in Kent notorious for hauntings, and they were interviewing local residents who had seen ghosts in the village or had experienced something paranormal, whether they were true or not we will never know? anyway it was coming to the end of the programme and they were interviewing the local vicar and the vicar was saying that "we have to take a analytical/logical view on this" basically I got the impression he didn't believe these hauntings were taking place one reason being because the local residents were trying to bring tourists to the area, so I thought fair play to the vicar and then in the next breath he only goes and lets himself down by saying "the only ghost in this village is the holy ghost!" but that's ok because even though he has no proof that there is the" holy ghost " we will all believe him shall we?.....
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Post by brandy1 on Aug 25, 2008 9:23:23 GMT
TraceyG hits the nail on the head here. Most ghost sightings are created for commercial reasons. Just look at the amount of pubs up and down the country doing ghost tours/nights. These boozers are desperate for punters and what better way to get them in than make up a few ghosts and even better get them on Most Haunted and the like. Strange But True? was an entertaining show when it was first aired- I loved the story of the monk near Stocksbridge. But there was never any real analytical evidence to prove these stories were true. As for Arthur C Clarke? Other than a trip down memory lane, this programme is nonsense and outdated. Paranormal needs a really gritty programme that really does investigate the evidence but given Antix's history this is totally out of the question. The channel has so many possibilities. Why don't Antix do a programme actually de-bunking this sort of thing- a bit like this site. But then again, its so much easier to go with the flow.
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Post by conbott on Aug 25, 2008 13:44:53 GMT
Am certain I heard in an interview with Yvette recently that she herself was in training to become a medium, so that would work out perfectly for them if they were to go their seperate ways with Living they wouldn't need a guest medium on the show anymore OH NO! surely not? Training to be a medium says it all. She's proving our point, it's not a gift. I'm disgusted but I really hope that it shows her up once and for all, if there's any justice it will do. Do you know any links shmumph that I could look at where it tells you this? Thanks.
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Post by traceyg on Aug 25, 2008 15:23:41 GMT
Yvette training to be a medium? funny isn't it that you can train to be a medium even though mediumship has no proof whatsoever, seems a bit of a waste of time really!
Or maybe she should go on one of those workshops that these well known mediums do I mean it only costs £90 per day I shouldn't think that would break her bank balance eh! not bad money earned in one day considering these workshops start at 10am you have 15 minutes for mid morning coffee break then an hour for lunch and then another 15 minutes for coffee in the afternoon and then it's all dun and dusted by 4pm.....
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Post by shmumph on Aug 25, 2008 15:44:17 GMT
Am certain I heard in an interview with Yvette recently that she herself was in training to become a medium, so that would work out perfectly for them if they were to go their seperate ways with Living they wouldn't need a guest medium on the show anymore OH NO! surely not? Training to be a medium says it all. She's proving our point, it's not a gift. I'm disgusted but I really hope that it shows her up once and for all, if there's any justice it will do. Do you know any links shmumph that I could look at where it tells you this? Thanks. i'll have a look see if I can find anything for you.
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Post by conbott on Aug 25, 2008 17:15:02 GMT
Cheers, I'd really like to see something on this. I'll try googling later on as well.
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Post by fluffet on Aug 25, 2008 23:07:15 GMT
Yvette training to be a medium !?!?!! Goooooood god in govan ....that womans ego knows NO bounds , not enough that she trys to snatch every last shaft of limelight on her shows but now she wants to take over the mantel of medium as well ! Saving on the wage bills eh ? Credit crunch hit her too mibbes hehe I mean maybe she wants to tend to her alledged sceptical side and learn all she can about mediums so she has a better understanding of it all .....cough splutter ...or maybe she just fancies a shot at degseys possession sessions so she can let rip at Karl for not putting the toilet seat down and say its "old kreed kafer that made me do it " instead hehe What next , Yvie trains as make up artisit/hairdresser so she can boot Cath and her curlers out ? Yvie dons a swimming cap and shaves off her eyebrows in a bid to replace stu ? I swear that woman would clean the bogs if it got her ten more minutes of airtime
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Post by shmumph on Aug 25, 2008 23:42:07 GMT
I'm getting really annoyed at myself now as I cannot for the life of me remember where I saw or read this, but I am absolutley certain I didnt imagine it, as I remember thinking thats why they got rid of David Wells. I'm going for tonight but will continue my search tomorrow.
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Post by fluffet on Aug 26, 2008 0:15:45 GMT
might have a wee search about for it myself shmumph , will be without laptop for a week or so due to it going kaboom and needing to go to pc hospital but theres always internet cafes to keep me sane hehe Would be good to see what ole yvie had to say on the matter and it wouldnt surprise me in the least if she did go down this route . it might come back to you where you seen it though , go have a cuppa and a wagon wheel an i bet you remember hehe Will see if i cant dig it up though from google when im able
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