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Post by sugar faerie on Jan 24, 2007 19:36:05 GMT
So you are only interested in slating those mediums who have become household names ? How strange ? Why not any medium, or are you on a witch hunt ?
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Post by aliennation345 on Jan 24, 2007 20:17:35 GMT
Citation of a 'reliable source' is sufficent. That implies an inference of fact to be deduced - where really there is none. And it was directed at a specific person, not generally. Unless the fact is forthcoming Jon has done them a real favour by removing the remark. It is not strange to see the same people at shows. I believe that several do nearly every show. All I was saying was that some people had observed that the same people were at either 2 or 3 shows, and it appeared that they had 2 readings.
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Post by lilydapink on Jan 24, 2007 21:01:46 GMT
So you are only interested in slating those mediums who have become household names ? How strange ? Why not any medium, or are you on a witch hunt ? Not at all I don't go to see other mediums other than the ones who appear in theatres, i'm sure a large proportion of non celebrity mediums are bogus as well but it would be very difficult to try and catch them out with plants if they don't have shows wouldn't it..
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Jan 24, 2007 21:14:37 GMT
If someone wants to start a new thread stating their suspicions etc then feel free, i dont mind. BUT be aware that Degsies lawyers watch this forum very closely, so if you say anything make sure you are 100% sure you are right
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Post by justme on Jan 24, 2007 21:22:18 GMT
Here's my take on this. Many people go to see the same Medium at all of his shows. There are many people going to these shows also that are budding or aspiring Mediums and thats why they too are drawn to Him. Maybe they were different people at those shows who had the almost the same reading and it was true, because potentially they would make a good Psychic or Meduim. Also, with alot of supporters going to one person's shows in particular, and I'm sure the Meduim knows they do, then why would this Meduim use plants or risk it, knowing that there are fans/supporters out there watching him at most if not all of these shows? I mean the people getting the readings, their faces are right on a huge screen. Doesn't make sense to Me. Thats why I personally don't think or believe the particular Meduim (in question earlier) uses plants or even would think of using plants. Yes, I do believe in him 150% and his abilities! That I believe is 100% fact for Me! Just Me
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Post by lilydapink on Jan 24, 2007 22:11:17 GMT
Here's my take on this. Many people go to see the same Medium at all of his shows. There are many people going to these shows also that are budding or aspiring Mediums and thats why they too are drawn to Him. Maybe they were different people at those shows who had the almost the same reading and it was true, because potentially they would make a good Psychic or Meduim. Also, with alot of supporters going to one person's shows in particular, and I'm sure the Meduim knows they do, then why would this Meduim use plants or risk it, knowing that there are fans/supporters out there watching him at most if not all of these shows? I mean the people getting the readings, their faces are right on a huge screen. Doesn't make sense to Me. Thats why I personally don't think or believe the particular Meduim (in question earlier) uses plants or even would think of using plants. Yes, I do believe in him 150% and his abilities! That I believe is 100% fact for Me! Just Me Yes that does make sense, and hopefully that is the case and plants are not used at any of this particular persons shows...
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Post by vthokiegirl on Jan 24, 2007 22:57:59 GMT
I didn't read any of those posts as facts. I thought it was just the usual speculation.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Jan 24, 2007 23:56:47 GMT
Personally i dont believe Derek uses plants, he isnt good enough lol To be honest he doesnt need them, his basic cold reading skills, and the screwed up minds of his followers are all he needs
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Post by vthokiegirl on Jan 25, 2007 0:28:03 GMT
I still would like to know why he hasn't offered to give you a reading, Jon. What better way could there be to turn all his critics around than to give you a fantasticly accurate reading.
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Post by aliennation345 on Jan 25, 2007 0:38:52 GMT
That is so true VThokiegirl. that would make a fantastic read on here. Jon have you ever had a reading at all from any psychic? and if so what was the outcome?
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Jan 25, 2007 0:55:46 GMT
I still would like to know why he hasn't offered to give you a reading, Jon. What better way could there be to turn all his critics around than to give you a fantasticly accurate reading. It wouldnt be worth the risk for him to do. Like i said if he was the real deal then of course he would want to give me a reading. But heknows it will be highly unlikely that he could fool me like an average believer, so again what would be the point
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Jan 25, 2007 0:56:32 GMT
That is so true VThokiegirl. that would make a fantastic read on here. Jon have you ever had a reading at all from any psychic? and if so what was the outcome? Yes plenty of readings, and none have ever offered anything other than random guesses, cold reading, or just plain nonsense. If any mediums on here would like to give me a reading let me know.
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Post by vthokiegirl on Jan 25, 2007 1:07:22 GMT
If any mediums on here would like to give me a reading let me know. What about lowrider?
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Post by aliennation345 on Jan 25, 2007 1:12:50 GMT
That is so true VThokiegirl. that would make a fantastic read on here. Jon have you ever had a reading at all from any psychic? and if so what was the outcome? Yes plenty of readings, and none have ever offered anything other than random guesses, cold reading, or just plain nonsense. If any mediums on here would like to give me a reading let me know. Have you had an accurate reading Jon, so much so you believed then to find out it was a con and you feel deflated?
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Jan 25, 2007 10:04:33 GMT
I have never had an accurate reading, in fact I have never had a reading that i couldnt explain as i heard it.
As for Lowrider, he has offered to give me a reading face to face, but due to personal problems for LR it has not yet happened.
Kendra has given me 3 face to face readings, and none were accurate, various excuses have been given,
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Post by longhorn on Jan 27, 2007 9:29:24 GMT
When I've had a private reading and I've been conned I've realised afterwards a giveaway was that the fake medium was looking at me as if I was stupid
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Post by andrea on Jan 27, 2007 13:30:16 GMT
From seeing some of the mediums in action, I do not think that they do use audience plants, the info. they give is far too general. Also take into account that some of the Acorah, Fry & Stockwell audiences are over 1000+ how many of you on here could take a message along the lines of:
I have an elderly gentleman here who is coming in on a farther / grandfather vibration, his name is George, he passed of a stroke condition, it was sudden. He was a slim build, approx. 5ft 10" with dark hair. I sense that he was a manual worker, mechanic or electrician. He is telling me he had two children a boy and a girl, and I am also being drawn to the month of May. His wife your grandmother is also in spirit and she passed after him. I think he was approx. 65 when passing, he went before his time, and there is a strong connection to London.
If you are lucky you will get all of that information in a message, but few even give that much detail. When people are desperate to hear what they want to hear, they will pretty much accept messages along the lines of above. They may change it to fit i.e. he passed with a heart attack, or his name was Greg not George (right initial though), he did have two children but they were boys.
The above type of message would be accepted by a lot of mediums to be a very strong spirit link with good survival evidence, but there are no surnames, dates, and most importantly evidence.
This is how they work, and unfortunately the public believe them.
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Post by hkev on Jan 27, 2007 13:35:12 GMT
There is a difference here between "plants" and people who they are familiar with.
Plants are used by magicians, placed in the audience to carry out a particular function in a pre-planned act.
It seems that psychics (like any theatre act) will get the same people attending several shows, so they will get to know the people.
Now if they pick out one of these regular attendees for a reading then the person is not a "plant", but is the psychic is misleading the rest of the audience if they do not declare that they have previous knowledge of the person ?
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Post by cheekygirl on Jan 27, 2007 14:33:40 GMT
But what are the chances of the same people getting a reading from these mediums out of say 1,000 audience members, in the space of say 2 months when some people have been going to shows for years and haven't even had one.
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