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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Nov 19, 2008 17:11:21 GMT
Healer Russell Jenkins Dies After Treating Simple Foot Injury With Honey"A healing therapist who refused to see a doctor died after developing gangrene in his leg. Russell Jenkins injured his left foot treading on an electrical plug at his home. The wound later became infected, but the 52-year-old shunned conventional treatment, saying his 'inner being' told him not to go to hospital." Read More
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Post by lucan on Nov 19, 2008 21:20:18 GMT
From The Quiet Mind Centre www.quietmindcentre.co.uk/index.htmlOrigins The Quiet Mind Centre has been a centre for personal and spiritual development since 1992, when Russell Jenkins first opened his doors to whoever felt drawn. Sadly, Russell died suddenly in April 2007, leaving a very large space behind. After a period of adjustment, the Centre is again offering a repertoire of services, classes and events. We do hope you will join us in the continuing adventures of self discovery. And if there is something you'd like to share with the community, please contact us to see how we can help! Hatha Yoga Reiki Share Kundalini Yoga Heart Space Meditation Group and Healing Circle Serapis Bey Spiritual Study Course White Brotherhood Study Course =================================== Their customers have not twigged something. How come they are still tradeing |
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Post by farsideofthemoon on Nov 19, 2008 22:11:20 GMT
I don't mind when they kill themselves with idiocy, but it's when they try to tell other people what to do, that's when I have a big problem.
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Post by gezr on Nov 20, 2008 9:43:35 GMT
Perhaps a contender for a Darwin award?
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Post by lucan on Nov 20, 2008 11:03:20 GMT
Perhaps a contender for a Darwin award?
Brilliant idea
His Centre should not continue for the sake of public health.
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Post by julia on Nov 20, 2008 11:31:36 GMT
At least he killed himself rather than one of his clients. And yes, I think a Darwin Award would be in order...
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Post by gizzy1 on Nov 20, 2008 12:32:50 GMT
I am sorry this guy lost his life and feel for his family, but why do they insist on calling themselves healers.
I have had many healing sessions in the past and yes Ive walked away from them feeling better, more relaxed, but I still have my condition and still rely on medication from time to time. Healing is just a form of relaxation and if you can relax when in pain it does help, but it wont get rid of the condition causing that pain, and I have to stress the healers I have visited in the past are not only people I know on a personal level but they also STRONGLY advise that they DO NOT cure illnesses and insist that you should NEVER stop taking any medication perscribed for your condition.
They are mainly trying to help you relax and cope with the symptoms, really they should be called comforters not healers or relaxation therapists, because no one in my book has the ability to heal without medication, as this man and his family have found out and what a tragic sad way to find out.
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Post by romany on Nov 20, 2008 18:56:04 GMT
Honey was and is a wonderful substance with many truly healing properties (although I am allergic to it!) I think it was often used as a form of medicine, such as it was, in medieval times. That is what astounds me about this case - the man was obviously aware of honey's properties, surely he must also have known that it is not a 'true' medicine in its own right, too? Penicillin is a wonderful invention and has cured far more infections than honey ever did!
Poor misguided soul. I really feel for his family too.
And you're right - any healer worth his or her salt would NEVER suggest shunning modern medicines. If they do, get out fast - they're quacks!
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Post by farsideofthemoon on Nov 20, 2008 20:56:31 GMT
I am sorry this guy lost his life and feel for his family, but why do they insist on calling themselves healers. I have had many healing sessions in the past and yes Ive walked away from them feeling better, more relaxed, but I still have my condition and still rely on medication from time to time. Healing is just a form of relaxation and if you can relax when in pain it does help, but it wont get rid of the condition causing that pain, and I have to stress the healers I have visited in the past are not only people I know on a personal level but they also STRONGLY advise that they DO NOT cure illnesses and insist that you should NEVER stop taking any medication perscribed for your condition. They are mainly trying to help you relax and cope with the symptoms, really they should be called comforters not healers or relaxation therapists, because no one in my book has the ability to heal without medication, as this man and his family have found out and what a tragic sad way to find out. I agree, it's ridiculous. These people won't subject themselves to the same level of testing that 'conventional' medicine goes through and there's only one reason for that. The body gets better naturally anyway most of the time. It's when it doesn't you need to worry and no healer is going to do anything to help in those cases. |
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Post by mesmo on Nov 21, 2008 12:40:33 GMT
This is a sad story and I would wish to send my sympathies to the gentleman's family.
Speaking on the subject generally however, I have never understood the viewpoint amongst some ''healers'' that modern medicine is unnatural and should not be trusted. Man has, over the years, developed the ability to discover cures and remedies for some terrible afflictions and deceases. This knowledge has come about with the evolution of intellect - whether or not you believe that evolution was totally natural or part of a plan, it has happened never the less and Man has benefited from it and millions of lives have been saved.
The argument that medieval Monks were able to cure deceases through the use of herbal remedies and these should not be dismissed does, IMO, only go so far as accepting them as possible complimentary treatments. They should never be considered as ''alternative'' when a proven scientific one is at hand. If paracetamol were available in the 12th Century, they would have been used, trust me!
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Post by romany on Nov 21, 2008 13:23:34 GMT
I never suggested for a minute that we should accept medieval cures as proven and effective - quite the opposite, they often killed rather than cured! I was simply pointing out that honey does have some healing properties, as the medieval people were aware, but that it is no way as appropriate or effective as modern medicines and is not an alternative to such.
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Post by gezr on Nov 21, 2008 14:09:24 GMT
'ere I would argue that penicillin is almost natural. Originally it was an extract of a mould. I wonder if this healer would have happily accepted smearing anti-biotic fungus on his wound?
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Post by farsideofthemoon on Nov 21, 2008 19:13:55 GMT
Cyanide is natural, it's in apples.
The word natural is meaningless these days. Look at all the suger laden sweets that claim 'natural only' ingredients. So what? Crude oil is natural but I don't want it in my food either.
Same for medicine, if it works, it works. If it doesn't, it doesn't. Whether something is 'natural' or not is irrelevant.
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Post by lucan on Nov 21, 2008 21:08:00 GMT
As a "Natural Healer" Russell Jenkins got it badly wrong, he had an anaerobic wound (deep) not a aerobic one (shallow). Post battlefield treatment for gangrene from the old days would be to open the wound and rinse with vinegar or water of water of quicklime and if that fails amputate. Ouch.
He WAS going to kill someone. And his The Quiet Mind Centre may still kill some one as their website has no see your GP as well warning.
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Post by mesmo on Nov 21, 2008 23:57:47 GMT
I never suggested for a minute that we should accept medieval cures as proven and effective - quite the opposite, they often killed rather than cured! I was simply pointing out that honey does have some healing properties, as the medieval people were aware, but that it is no way as appropriate or effective as modern medicines and is not an alternative to such. Sorry Romany, I wasn't having a go at your post. I agree about the medicinal properties of honey - I take some everyday. Also, as some others have pointed out, some modern medicines have their roots (no pun intended) in natural sources. My main concern is the narrow mindedness that appears to exist in some people about modern medicine- as if, because it is the result of technology, cannot be any good for us. I am afraid some people still want to live in the pre-industrial age. |
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Post by lucan on Nov 22, 2008 12:38:35 GMT
I have emailed my concerns about the The Quiet Mind Centre to the newspaper that ran the article www.portsmouth.co.uk/ |
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