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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Dec 16, 2008 12:12:13 GMT
Recently White Noise Paranormal Radio interviewed Ciaran O'Keeffe, and since I know the people who run that radio show, I decided to send in a few questions of my own. The main question for Ciaran was... "Why do you continue to work with people you know to be fraudulent?" Well I have a clip of his very interesting answer! They also recently interviewed Psychic Mia Dolan as well, and guess what they asked her about BadPsychics.com, and her reply was even more surprising than Ciarans! Click Here To Listen
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Post by mesmo on Dec 16, 2008 15:53:44 GMT
Yes - it's OK now, thanks. Interesting response from CO but still doesn't excuse the impression he gives out on the show that he is actually going along with the ''fraudulent'' antics. Why does he allow himself to be identified with ''fraudulent'' (his word) action? Are all his skeptical answers given to spurious noises and other unexplained phenomena edited out by Antix Productions? If he regards himself as a serious investigator he would have nothing further to do with this sham of a show!
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Post by redbaron on Dec 16, 2008 16:15:45 GMT
"cos the money is good"...
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Post by libbi on Dec 16, 2008 16:22:10 GMT
Wow. Sadly though Ciaran's credibility has almost gone now. I don't think Yvette and Karl will care one iota either. It's all about them and beggar everyone else. The sooner this show gets removed the better it will be. It's okay at the moment Ciaran but think of your future in the after math of MH. That's what I do anyway.
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Post by Mike on Dec 16, 2008 20:07:07 GMT
I think Ciaran is seriously begining to loose his once respectible position when he untied Achora. Now i think just like the rest of Most Haunted, the money has got to him.
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Post by morganp on Dec 16, 2008 23:27:32 GMT
As with the previous comments I think CO is willing to sacrifice a degree of academic and peer credibility in exchange for a nice pay cheque. By not openly speaking out against the obviously fraudulent nature of MH he'll be keeping doors open for any future financially lucrative media work.
morganp
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Post by romany on Dec 17, 2008 7:46:53 GMT
"By not openly speaking out against the obviously fraudulent nature of MH"
Surely that's exactly what he has done, in this recording? It seemed to me he was trying to say that, whilst he is on MH, there is at least one person who is not being taken in by all the goings on and who is there as a gentle reminder to the team and the viewers that most of it is hocus-pocus? He'd be shooting himself in the foot if he were to jump up shouting "This is all faked and you lot are frauds!" and flouncing out. Who would there be to point out that not everything that goes bump in the night is rooted in the paranormal then? The team would then have absolutely no balance at all (though it is already weighted heavily in favour of the unquestioning believer, granted.)
Isn't it interesting that nothing 'paranormal' ever happens to him?
And who can blame him for wanting to keep a well paid job in the current economic climate? He's just recently had a baby (not literally of course.)
That said, he doesn't appear as sceptical as he used to.
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Post by morganp on Dec 17, 2008 10:24:51 GMT
"By not openly speaking out against the obviously fraudulent nature of MH"
I had a more radical approach in mind such as resigning from the 'show' and actually speaking out against the perps responsible and being specific about the various methods used to maintain the charade that is MH. Sometimes principles and professional integrity should outweigh financial rewards. I'm sure MH is not his only source of income so he'd hardly be selling the Big Issue if he did do the right thing and quit.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Dec 17, 2008 17:35:16 GMT
But even if he did quit he couldnt speak out anyway due to the clauses in his contract, he would be left open to huge litigation, thats why Felix never spoke out
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Post by fluffet on Dec 17, 2008 22:03:24 GMT
Did he ever get back to you with any answers to the ten questions i drafted up for him ?
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Dec 17, 2008 22:52:18 GMT
Said he would send em in a few weeks
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Post by libbi on Dec 18, 2008 13:56:14 GMT
It's tragic to see an obviously well educated and intelligent man risk his own hard worked for career this way. I recently learnt about the contract clauses on MH and that on its own speaks volumes. Ciaran keeps in his place when told to.......sad very sad.
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Post by morganp on Dec 18, 2008 16:14:42 GMT
Can you give us any more insight into those contract clauses Libbi?
It comes as no surprise that MH is harsh in this respect given the nature of its content. As Jon said, this is why Richie Felix kept mum and didn't go public.
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Post by libbi on Dec 18, 2008 16:46:12 GMT
Unfortunately no morganp. The problem is because all old members of MH have to adhere to them not much gets leaked out. I read somewhere that Richard was upset about being sacked and had mentioned about the fakery. But it was done in a general everyday conversation and so it was just one persons account. A couple of months ago I was googling to see if I could find out why Richard Felix had left and more than once I found the contract clause as a reason. Shame really because it would show just how desperate Yvette Fielding, etc, are to keep things in the MH family, so to speak.
However if I do find anything I'll let you know. I'm sure google will turn something up one day or another.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Dec 18, 2008 20:38:04 GMT
It is a basic confidentiality clause that is included in pretty much all TV contracts these days. Just means you cant talk about things or people from the show, it is standard stuff, and not some extyra devious plan by ANtix
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Post by fluffet on Dec 18, 2008 20:54:01 GMT
How did he get out of that clause then when he spoke to the papers about Acorah ? Was it because Derek was soon to become and Ex member of MH staff and wasnt included then in the clause ? Bit confused ?
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Post by fluffet on Dec 18, 2008 21:46:38 GMT
Just stumbled apon this which is an explanation as to how Ciaran was able to talk out publicly against Derek Acorah whilst in the employe of MH - homepage.ntlworld.com/isil.telemnar/Doublexposure/comments.htmSo if this is to be believed it would suggest that Ciarans contract at the time of him speaking out against Derek was different to the rest of staff on MH allowing him to do so , but may possibly have been changed since although not instantly after the expose . Which begs the question if his contract was changed subsequently which is why he cant talk out now then why on earth did he agree to it ?
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Post by locust on Dec 18, 2008 22:40:21 GMT
I listened to the entire interview on podcast with CO & BR on white noise and was suprised by some of the things CO did say. Doesn't sound to me like he's got a gag clause on him at all. Just being careful about what he does say to protect his financial interests.
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Post by fluffet on Dec 18, 2008 23:07:49 GMT
I obviously don't know the ins and outs of confidentiality clauses indepth or any that Ciaran may or may not be under but surely legal action couldnt be taken against him if he was to for example go public with something he could prove was infact the case .
So for talking sake if he was to do an interview where he claimed that he had witnessed first hand faking on MH by any of the team and had proof that this was the case surely any confidentiality clause would be negated or at least wouldnt be upheld due to the nature of what he was exposing ?
Perhaps he may have his suspicions but doesnt have hard proof other than his observations or word against theirs and fears legal implications if he did comment on it ?
Or perhaps may be more likely some of the MH team he now considers friends and doesnt want to burst that particular bubble or end a lucrative wage packet ?
From a personal point of view , and if i had the proof to back it up , i wouldn't hesitate in going public with anything i felt was underhand or faked in a company i worked for regardless of whether or not i would loose my job with them .
Id like to think the friendship factor wouldnt have to be considered either as id hope that i wouldnt have allowed myself to continue a friendship with anyone who was involved in the first place to have to consider it .
There are only so many possiblites -
He doesnt feel there has been any faking or anything underhand which seems highly unlikely from the things he says and has said in the past .
He feels there is faking going on but doesnt have hard evidence and fears a his word against theres situation .
He feels there is faking going on but due to contractual obligations cant or wont discuss it .
He feels there is faking going on but due to some kind of loyalty or friendships refuses to discuss it .
He feels there is faking going on but doesnt care and is happy to continue to be a part of the show and take the money .
He feels there is faking going on and is building up evidence from the inside to finally do an expose that cannot be refuted or wriggled out of .
Bar all but the first i can find no reason in any of those that id personally find compelling enough to stop me speaking out .
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Dec 19, 2008 10:47:07 GMT
Just stumbled apon this which is an explanation as to how Ciaran was able to talk out publicly against Derek Acorah whilst in the employe of MH - homepage.ntlworld.com/isil.telemnar/Doublexposure/comments.htmSo if this is to be believed it would suggest that Ciarans contract at the time of him speaking out against Derek was different to the rest of staff on MH allowing him to do so , but may possibly have been changed since although not instantly after the expose . As far as i know the contract was never changed, his contract was and is the same as everyone elses. The reason why he was "allowed" to speak on Derek was because Karl Beattie was the one who set it all up. It is as simple as that. After the story broke in the paper, on the morning of the live show, Ciaran AND Karl were called into a meeting with Living Bosses and told in no uncertain terms "If Derek Acorah does not appear on tonights live show there will NOT be a live show" Luckily for them Derek did, cause if he hadnt there is a good chance there would be no MH now. Since I know Karl instigated the whole thing and even was behind telling us about Derek and Kreed Kafer, i would assume that Karl was the one who would be in charge of Ciarans contract as he is employed by ANTIX and not livingtv. Therefore LivingTV could not in theory gag anyone even if they wanted to. The only thing they could do is cancel MH, which would be bad for them as they would lose money, and ANTIX would simply go to anotehr channel with a slightly different format for the show,much like they did with "Ghost Hunting with....."
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