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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Feb 3, 2007 19:38:29 GMT
Is Ogilvie taking the challenge, or is it all a PR stunt? Read More
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Post by lowrider on Feb 3, 2007 20:59:52 GMT
You see someone applies to take the challenge and still septics try to twist anything to make it appear the applicant is some dark,nasty,person trying to avoid the big bad Randi I am no fan of D.O but the tone of this article perfectly shows the attitude awaiting anyone that is high profile and takes the test. I predict that protocol will not be agreed.
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Post by aliennation345 on Feb 3, 2007 21:03:47 GMT
Do mediums want to take the Randi test just to get some notarity? maybe Derek is using it as a PR stunt? who knows.
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Post by lowrider on Feb 3, 2007 21:05:57 GMT
Do mediums want to take the Randi test just to get some notarity? maybe Derek is using it as a PR stunt? who knows. It could end in tears with each side blaming the other.
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Post by aliennation345 on Feb 3, 2007 21:12:32 GMT
I'll take the test, I have no psychic ability but I woul give it a go for the money
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Post by lowrider on Feb 4, 2007 7:27:29 GMT
I'll take the test, I have no psychic ability but I woul give it a go for the money Would you? Don't forget you pay all your own expenses but the JREF retains copyright on everything. You pass the first test,then may have to travel,take time of work ,pay accommodation and win. A million bucks,lots of money. But think how much Randi will make with from all the film and records he has of the test. Think how much news channels,TV shows,scientist etc would pay to see that data Believe me it could quickly top a mill. A mill that Randi is not paying out himself from his own pocket but he will benefit from any " pass". He maybe many things but stupid he ain't.
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Post by Meercat on Feb 4, 2007 9:22:49 GMT
I'll take the test, I have no psychic ability but I woul give it a go for the money Would you? Don't forget you pay all your own expenses but the JREF retains copyright on everything.You pass the first test,then may have to travel,take time of work ,pay accommodation and win. A million bucks,lots of money. But think how much Randi will make with from all the film and records he has of the test. Think how much news channels,TV shows,scientist etc would pay to see that data Believe me it could quickly top a mill. A mill that Randi is not paying out himself from his own pocket but he will benefit from any " pass". He maybe many things but stupid he ain't. "but the JREF retains copyright on everything."Wrong. If you are going to constantly find things wrong with the JREF challenge LR, get your information right. The challenge states: may be used freely by the JREFWhich is a hell of a lot different to "retains copyright" You did this on the other thread, where you kept saying "you sign your rights away" when in fact the rules just state that you do not hold JREF responsible for injury/financial loss during the challenge.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Feb 4, 2007 10:50:34 GMT
And LR will keep doing this mate, many psychics will discredit something that they think can expose their abilities It is a typical technique.
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Post by Me on Feb 4, 2007 12:56:29 GMT
And LR will keep doing this mate, many psychics will discredit something that they think can expose their abilities It is a typical technique. Typical is average..majority etc etc Not all are like this Jon,and you are presuing LR is within that majority,and that doesnt seem quite right to me,nor fair!
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Feb 4, 2007 14:13:01 GMT
But that is what he does constantly Kendra. Hell even you dont do it as much.In fact you have been more than willing in the past to be tested and put yourself forward
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Post by lowrider on Feb 4, 2007 14:27:31 GMT
And LR will keep doing this mate, many psychics will discredit something that they think can expose their abilities It is a typical technique. Nope Jon,i did read that but as we have seen in previous debates the rules and the Q & As do change. I fear nothing of Randi. I simply as i have stated many times feel most people see only the challenge and the money. They don't look at the big picture. Tell me i am wrong Jon.Will Randi make money out of any successful pass on his challenge,unlikely as that may be. Would it in your opinion be more then the mill which is paid out. Will any moneys make be his.Don't attack me,don't challenge me just answer the question. Brilliant ain't he? While he has the challenge which in know way effects hos personal wealth he coins it on books and speaking tours. Since he has no other " job" i assume that is his sole income. If the test is passed he coins it again. Tell me i have lied.
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Post by Meercat on Feb 4, 2007 15:08:28 GMT
And LR will keep doing this mate, many psychics will discredit something that they think can expose their abilities It is a typical technique. Will Randi make money out of any successful pass on his challenge,unlikely as that may be. Would it in your opinion be more then the mill which is paid out. Will any moneys make be his.Don't attack me,don't challenge me just answer the question. Brilliant ain't he? While he has the challenge which in know way effects hos personal wealth he coins it on books and speaking tours. Since he has no other " job" i assume that is his sole income. If the test is passed he coins it again. So whats your point!! Whether Randi makes any money or not has bugger all to do with it. First its "the test isnt fair", then its "why should I prove myself to anyone" then its "its much more complicated than that" and now its "but Randi will make money!". What next? A medium is not going to take and pass the challenge because they have a beard allergy?
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Post by lowrider on Feb 4, 2007 16:19:48 GMT
Will Randi make money out of any successful pass on his challenge,unlikely as that may be. Would it in your opinion be more then the mill which is paid out. Will any moneys make be his.Don't attack me,don't challenge me just answer the question. Brilliant ain't he? While he has the challenge which in know way effects hos personal wealth he coins it on books and speaking tours. Since he has no other " job" i assume that is his sole income. If the test is passed he coins it again. So whats your point!! Whether Randi makes any money or not has bugger all to do with it. First its "the test isnt fair", then its "why should I prove myself to anyone" then its "its much more complicated than that" and now its "but Randi will make money!". What next? A medium is not going to take and pass the challenge because they have a beard allergy? It ain't but been there done that. I never said that. Different thread but still true. As to my point. So many rally to the challenge as some great attempt by Randi to truly show the reality of the paranormal. It ain't,its a band wagon he jumped on,after all he was not even clever enough to think of the reward and is riding all the way to the bank. In the mean time all the dupes who have swallowed his line are lauding him or the challenge.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Feb 4, 2007 16:51:50 GMT
I do that all the time
I should hope so, If i was him, i would want to make money out of it And that if anything proves that if Randi was only interested in making money as you state, then he would make the challenge easier.
In fact he gains more by someone passing, so yet another reason you know teh challenge is fair and above board
Again i think the fame, the interviews, the scientific journals etc would put Randi into the history books, hell he would probably get the Nobel prize if he found a real medium or psychic.
Again more proof that it would be better for Randi if he found the real deal.
If the test is passed he would make 10 times more money than he has in his whole career.
So i dont see your point.
It would be BETTER for Randi to pass someone if real than to fail them, or try and get around it?
I think you have messed up LR, you have now proven how much bette rit would be for Randi NOT to lie or cheat
Nice one LR.
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Post by Meercat on Feb 4, 2007 17:12:23 GMT
But your objections always seem to be directed at Randi and then the challenge. Does it matter who is offering the challenge? If you read the rules and the challenge layout but omit Randi/JREF, (replace them with someone of your choosing) you have a very reasonable method of testing somebodies claims of abilities.
Yes somebody will make money out of it, does it really matter if its Randi or Mr A.N Other? Why is the fact that someone will make money out of it such a big issue for you? Mediums all over the World are making money out of claiming to talk to our dead relatives! (and before you say it, yes I know, some dont charge)
What we're looking at is proving a claim, the reward is there hoping it will be an incentive for someone to come forward and back up their claim.
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Post by shazzz on Feb 4, 2007 19:01:07 GMT
surely if people go mad at mediums making money from saying they have abilities...
Then surely it is just as bad for Randi to be making money from the very same mediums, as thats what he is doing, OK hes not giving readings but he is indirectly making money out of mediumship
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Feb 4, 2007 21:57:27 GMT
But making money out of exposing the frauds is not a bad thing surely? If people by his books, then he is helping to stop them getting conned.
He makes his money from an honest living that is the difference
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Post by shazzz on Feb 4, 2007 22:04:37 GMT
its no different really... its like a bad hairdresser whos is crap and the good one that goes round putting things right, there still making money from it
His income is earned from mediumship, so there for he is making a living from mediums and mediumship......................
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Post by aliennation345 on Feb 4, 2007 22:46:27 GMT
But making money out of exposing the frauds is not a bad thing surely? If people by his books, then he is helping to stop them getting conned. He makes his money from an honest living that is the difference Jon have you ever thought of writing a book on exposing fraudulent mediums? it might make a good read, hey i'd buy it lol
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Feb 4, 2007 22:46:32 GMT
its no different really... its like a bad hairdresser whos is crap and the good one that goes round putting things right, there still making money from it His income is earned from mediumship, so there for he is making a living from mediums and mediumship...................... He is making an HONEST living from books exposing the frauds, he also writes many books that have nothing to do with mediums or psychics! The fact is Shazz, and you know this is true, Randi is honest about what he does, and how he makes money. A medium is not.
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