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Post by Mr Jinx on Mar 26, 2009 12:32:36 GMT
Just watched it for the first time. The guy isn't delusional he's a fraud. At first I put him down as being someone who had convinced themselves that he has special powers; possibly encouraged by the mother from a young age. However, the moving glass, non-moving table and a couple of other 'tricks' convinced me otherwise. This and the fact he knows how to play the system (taking 'donations' instead of payment or making a disclaimer before shows for example) convinces me he knows exactly what he's doing.
Will we see the back of Mannion any time soon? I don't think so. Just like Uri Geller, Mannion has created a monster he can't control. He's now crossed the point where he can back out. Any confession from him that it was all a con leaves him open to possible prosecution and various compensation claims from his clients.
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Post by Guthix on Mar 26, 2009 12:52:01 GMT
the only people who can stop mannion now is trading standards and the law plus people can spread the word not to go to idiots like mannion for so called "healing" its all a big con and the sooner his small minority of followers know that the better
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Mar 26, 2009 16:13:21 GMT
Its not that people on here think it is OK to be gay, its that we dont care, and do not think it is of interest in the discussion of Mannion.
Too many gay people are so convinced that being gay makes them different that they are almost looking for an excuse to talk about it and even argue about it.
I have said it many many times, being gay or straight makes no difference
Ok, i am getting a tad annoyed now. Why would anyone want to go into a pub and tell them they are gay? What is the point? Other than to draw attention to oneself. I would have no interest in saying that I was gay if i was, the same as i have no interest in telling people i am straight, or that i am a legendary swordsman.
Being outwardly "gay" is a choice plain and simple. As someone of ethnic origins i have suffered very real abuse and been bulied purely due to the colour of my skin.
You simply cannot compare the choice of telling people you are gay and suffering with the ignorance of others to something like racism, (I am not saying you did.)
My point is that we are not living in 1950's New York here/. This is 2009, and being gay is simply not something that stands people apart, is the same as having ginger hair, a big nose, or whatever.
There are stupid ignorant people out there who will find any reason to bully you, that is why they are stupid and ignorant in the first place.
So now you are calling gay people deceitful. I simply cant agree.
SOME gays will hide what their sexual preference is, but only because they think it is something to hide. It is not.
I just think it is pointless bringing gayness into a conversation about Gary Mannion.
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Post by Guthix on Mar 26, 2009 16:50:49 GMT
yeh i agree his sexuality is not on discussion here but rather his very questionable activities which relates to him being a psychic surgeon
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Post by terry on Mar 26, 2009 16:57:43 GMT
It is purely a guess, but the reason for the lack of real questioning may be that in the light of modern day political correctness, it may have been seen as attacking a "religion" Just a thought. GM is at the MBS in Olympia in may, last I heard the cheapest stall was £600. so it must seem to be a good investment to him, or manager. He is also at Brentwood this weekend, his talk will be packed out, that is free. As I said earlier, he will not lose any followers, all of the top mediums have their fan clubs.
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Post by asdfg on Mar 26, 2009 17:07:14 GMT
Whether Mannion is gay has no relevance to his claimed psychic abilities, but it does have some relevance to his claim that he is the biblical Abraham's chosen one for his healing.
Christianity, and particularly the Catholic Church, are very homophobic and (IIRC) still consider it a lifestyle choice and therefore a sin.
So if anyone takes Mannion seriously, they ought to be wondering why this religious character Abraham has chosen a homosexual to channel through.
That's if Mannion is gay, of course.
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Post by julia on Mar 26, 2009 17:32:19 GMT
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Post by tomroberts on Mar 26, 2009 17:38:48 GMT
It is purely a guess, but the reason for the lack of real questioning may be that in the light of modern day political correctness, it may have been seen as attacking a "religion" Just a thought. GM is at the MBS in Olympia in may, last I heard the cheapest stall was £600. so it must seem to be a good investment to him, or manager. He is also at Brentwood this weekend, his talk will be packed out, that is free. As I said earlier, he will not lose any followers, all of the top mediums have their fan clubs. When I saw Mannion at Olympia last November, he didn't actually have a stall on the ground floor with all of the others. He demonstrated "Self-Promotion" (sorry "Psychic Surgery") in a small cinema up on the 3rd or fourth floor . I've no idea what that would have cost, but there were only about 120 people there, at a guess.
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Post by tomroberts on Mar 26, 2009 17:46:24 GMT
I suppose it is just about possible he could have worked in an independent school, but much more likely that it is all another aspect of his fantasy life. But as he won't give the info, we'll never actually know.
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Post by farsideofthemoon on Mar 26, 2009 18:03:46 GMT
I've thought from the start he is a knowing fraud. However I also think his lack of education has led him to believe some weird stuff. I don't think there is a clear division between his fraudulent activity and his beliefs. He may actually believe in psychic healing, just I don't think he believes in himself that much.
So I do agree with what Jon and Kendra are saying.
I also agree with some of the comments about how he might be gay - it doesn't really have anything to do with anything tbh - but again it may be more evidence of a person used to concealing some things or living part of a lie.
The documentary was fairly conclusive I think in some of the things we've been saying he is a fraud at for a while - like his workshops. Doing table tipping, glass moving and that absurd lifting the person from the chair thing are just well known party tricks. It's very unlikely he believes in that.
When he got caught over the gallstone, that wasn't the face of a man who had just had his beliefs shaken. That was a man who was desperately trying to come up with a plausible excuse.
So Gary is an idiot who probably believes a lot of crazy crap, but he's also knowingly fraudulent in most of what he does.
No one can sustain that level of involvement without really knowing what is going on. I've not once seen him express any doubt as to his abilities. Any sane person would hesitate at some point.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Mar 26, 2009 18:04:19 GMT
He is also at Brentwood this weekend, his talk will be packed out, that is free. Go along and throw some questions at him. Take a camera and film him.
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Post by morganp on Mar 26, 2009 21:11:55 GMT
Having seen the doc and looking at the posts here (which I agree with) I'd say that Gary would and could have quite easily become a new or used car salesman, double glazing/photocopier salesman. He's 20 years old and probably too young to put his feelings in perspective whether real or imagined. Intelligent - yes, gullible - possibly, but he can certainly see a good thing and the good thing is his healing via this Abraham character. If he believes it or not it's giving him a very nice income and I don't think he'll let this expose kill the goose that's laying his golden eggs. IMO we're looking at two basic truths here...
Gary Mannion is able to heal people with no medical training purely via the spirit guide Abraham
Gary Mannion is a fraud or a deluded individual who is deliberately or inadevertantly giving people hope and short term relief from actual or perceived affictions and the cures which he imposes have no medical validity
As a sceptic I'll always go with the evidence and the evidence says his way doesn't work.
morganp
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Post by homer09 on Mar 27, 2009 8:45:19 GMT
Hi all, watched gary mannion ,wot a crock of xxxx.How anyone can believe him after this doc is beyond me. When he went into his trance I nearly collapsed on the floor with laughter.
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Post by farsideofthemoon on Mar 27, 2009 19:07:13 GMT
Hi all, watched gary mannion ,wot a crock of xxxx.How anyone can believe him after this doc is beyond me. When he went into his trance I nearly collapsed on the floor with laughter. Far too many people do believe unfortunately. It's incredible but also so depressing in this time of technology and knowledge that people are so thick they want to believe this crap.
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Post by tomroberts on Mar 27, 2009 21:43:33 GMT
On UKS, Dubious Dick noticed a similarity between Mannion's idiotic message from "Abraham", and Colin Fry bringing through "Magnus".
I think DD has a point.....
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Mar 27, 2009 22:11:38 GMT
They are very similar. Maybe Magnus is pretending to be Abraham
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Post by tomroberts on Mar 27, 2009 23:20:47 GMT
They are very similar. Maybe Magnus is pretending to be Abraham ....and Gary is pretending to be Colin. But I have no idea why he might want to do that.
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Post by Me on Mar 27, 2009 23:46:12 GMT
Just completed an hour interview with Gary Mannion,will post the link here tomorrow!
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Post by Guthix on Mar 28, 2009 0:11:28 GMT
Just completed an hour interview with Gary Mannion,will post the link here tomorrow! you had an interview with him ? how did you manage to get him to talk to you.
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Post by tomroberts on Mar 28, 2009 0:53:21 GMT
Just completed an hour interview with Gary Mannion,will post the link here tomorrow! Very interesting. I look forward to reading it.
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