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Post by terry on Aug 11, 2009 11:50:31 GMT
Reading all of the above made me wonder. How did this belief system come about in such a short space of time, approx? 150yrs, compared to the bible, 2,000 yrs. There are billions of people throughout the world, running courses, giving readings, attending churches etc. Can it all be put down to TV. It does appear to be entrenched in modern society.
Just stumbled on Derek Acorah on TV for the first time. He does seem to be an accomplished performer. The audience was spellbound, accepted everything he said. Having read the book on cold reading, he is good at what he does
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Post by bobdezon on Aug 11, 2009 16:44:34 GMT
It was the victorians terry. They believed that they could explain everything (empire induced arrogance), including what happened after death. Dont forget this was a time in the dawn of the enlightenment, where new technology like radio was used as a metaphor and explanation for the afterlife. This is why spiritualists are very big on "vibrations" and "frequencies" and planes of existence (the early psuedoscientists who advocated its existence were radio specialists). They are so hopelessly inept they still cling to this long debunked explanation, even though we now fully understand the technology. Nowdays its all quantum this, and quantum that. Rule of thumb here is to use anything people do not fully understand as the explanation and mechanism for how this is possible. In 100 years time when quantum theory is fully explored and understood, they will probably be citing zero point energy or some such bulls*it. If spiritualists really wanted to know the truth they would endevour to inquire the real possibilities, rather than accept ridiculous reasons that do not withstand basic scrutiny.
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Post by onewingedangel on Aug 11, 2009 19:41:09 GMT
Flowers are symbols in the 'spiritual' world Of what? so what might be the significance of yellow, pink or orange roses? I think you are talking utter nonsense. It doesn't take a scientist to work out white resembles peace and red resembles love.......if people are talking about these colored flowers as an aspect, wouldn't they put 2 and 2 together. So, no, I am not talking crap, like I said in my opinion, maybe google it and see what you come up with?? I'm not saying it's correct, I'm just putting the colors together with symbolism
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Post by onewingedangel on Aug 11, 2009 19:43:15 GMT
Just another question, which made me wonder.........In the roman times, wouldn't a leader i.e. Caesar, have some kind of wise wizard type person for guidance in his main home?
Just asking that is all.........as i remb reading a fiction book (long time ago) and it had something in there. Just wondering if it had any truth to it, being that i know jack about history.
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Post by Mike on Aug 12, 2009 0:03:23 GMT
Caesar was in fact an athiest - a not so common fact but he wrote about it in his journals when landing upon Britain for the first time and described the inhabitants as 'barbaric believers of non exsistant gods.
Besides Roman Paganisim outlawed the use of mystics funny enough. Most people get mixed with Greek religion and Roman religion.
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Post by terry on Aug 12, 2009 10:57:13 GMT
I am sure you are right Bob but I think it still boils down to the human being, trying to make sense of life, perhaps he/she believes It cannot be that simple. Born, live, die. There has to be a purpose. ?? What are all of the experiences for? By creating the spirit world, and all of the theories, explanations, it does give answers to those that want to believe that there must be something else, false they may be. I have reached an age when I no longer work for a living, it is so easy to look for something outside a mundane life. I have come to the conclusion that that is what people are looking for, a bit of Magic and Mystery. Most do not bother to consider, is it all hokum. No Father Christmas, Tooth Fairy, now no after life to look forward to. ;D
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Post by morganp on Aug 12, 2009 12:04:48 GMT
Can people not find wonder, excitement in the natural world? have they never gazed up at the night sky and contemplated the possibilities? or the fact that they're gazing back through billions of years?. I cannot understand why we have to look inward - to the depths of our own psyche and to the long sleep of the dead to find the magic and mystery that's right out there for all to see. What are all the experiences for? IMO they're for nothing, they don't have to mean anything, they enhance our lives and we hopefully learn from them - nothing more - just enjoy them and swim in their memories. Why look forward to death? From what I've learned it's very very dark and silent. The people featured in the film came across as treading water and very much of the opinion that the grass is very very much greener (and insect free) on the other side. But what the hell is wrong with the grass, the flowers and the beauty on this side?
You show me someone who has gazed across the Grand Canyon at sunset, seen the amazing spring display of flowers on the Cape Coast of South Africa or the wonder on a childs face who thinks the final beat of a dead heart or the empty promises of the holy books are a better alternative - because (and here's the rub) until the day when someone comes back from the 'other side' with confirmation that it's just like the Robin Williams film 'What Dreams May Come' then that's the best, nay the ONLY offer on the table.
As the character Red played by Morgan Freeman in that great film The Shawshank Redemption said: 'Get busy living or get busy dying'.
morganp
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Post by terry on Aug 12, 2009 13:31:22 GMT
Your right, I am going to attempt to live until I die.
I do see the beauty in everything around me. I love colour, I photograph birds and butterfly's etc. I paint and draw and model clay. I dabble in many different crafts. I have a large garden which attracts all sorts of creatures. But as I have got older I feel there must be more to life, perhaps the fear? that it might end in the not too distant future creates the hope that there might be something after the physical death of my body. Irrational it may be but I think it is a hope that many cling to when they lose? a loved one. I can accept that the type of mind, that the majority on this site, do not have a problem with popping off into eternity. To boldly go where no man has been before, or not. Just trying to find reasons why billions of people feel the need to believe in life after life. Having all the beauty you suggested and still want something more.
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Post by beachcomber on Aug 16, 2009 9:16:07 GMT
I thought this was a rather sad programme, with some very genuine people who were looking for an answer and comfort for their issues in life. In the way that some turn to religion, others turn to spiritualism. It may just have been the way it was edited, but the main group that was focussed on seemed to be lacking something in their own lives. As for the doctor, i found him to be rather irritating , and wonder whether he has crossed the boundary of what a medical man should be doing in a gp environment. All a lot of people are looking for in spiritualism, is actually comfort, and it seemed as tho that is what he gave his depressed patient, but im not sure that he did it in the right ethical way.
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