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Post by fluffet on Sept 11, 2009 20:33:29 GMT
Ohh chippers n wine ....Niiiiiice  Cheeky wee Magners and a sarnie for me ...not quite as exciting mind you . Ehhh whats this stamping on polystyrene cups with a hidden knife under one ? (aye right  not really ) Cut to the chase dezza ...people with an appointment with the late shop here...it shuts a blinking 10 ! |
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Sept 11, 2009 21:02:41 GMT
Oh well, guess we will never really find out how he did it.
I guess it was just a simple camera trick, he did say at the end it was just a trick.
Wonder how many noobs out there will believe what he said?
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Post by exile on Sept 11, 2009 21:12:49 GMT
Yes. I still think a camera trick.
Lol
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Post by morganp on Sept 11, 2009 21:13:18 GMT
Ive taped it and I'll watch it tomorrow. That it is a trick there is no doubt. But how the trick was done he'll just hint at and no amount of preamble or psychology/group manipulation will tell us how he REALLY did it.
morganp
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Post by fluffet on Sept 11, 2009 21:33:06 GMT
Nnnnnggggggrrrrr....pifffft ! Ach well as expected he seems to have kept up the misdirection till the end...still no real definative answer. Now at least i know why he didnt include the bonus ball in his prediction...to lend credence to the rigged machine explanation ...if he had done that and included the bonus ball in the prediction he couldnt have rigged the order the balls came out in and so couldnt have predicted the bonus. If he had included the bonus and gave the rigged explanation people could have discounted it straight away as being a red herring which would have ruined his whole " did he didnt he " ending . To be honest neither of the explanations he gave convinced me they were ones he used ...highly unlikely he rigged the balls in the machine and the 24 guesses averaged just sounds like ....well pure balls |
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Post by antmania on Sept 11, 2009 21:38:21 GMT
Something happened during the time the balls were read out on BBC. You notice Darren is standing very very still which suggests nothing more than television trickery.
Just a simple publicity stunt which seems to have worked very well for the chappie.
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Post by morganp on Sept 11, 2009 21:46:38 GMT
For sure he didn't rig the balls and that 24 guesses averaged was just one of his grander mis directions. However I'm not sure he'd resort to simple camera trickery because that would be way too easy. I don't know the answer and may never know the answer but it was an amazing trick - the key word being.... trick.
morganp
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Post by tomroberts on Sept 11, 2009 21:51:24 GMT
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Post by tomroberts on Sept 11, 2009 22:49:44 GMT
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Post by Amaris on Sept 12, 2009 0:06:10 GMT
Watched the repeat and my thoughts are that of course he didn't reveal anything but it does make good viewing and I'm guessing a lot of the viewers believed everything he said 
edited to remove a stray s .....it's my own fault I keep feeding it milk tray 
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Post by den on Sept 12, 2009 5:50:57 GMT
Jonathan Creek is needed to solve this one |
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Sept 12, 2009 8:11:57 GMT
Just reading the comments section on The Sun website regarding this, they are all going mad, attacking Derren and so on. I will copy my response here.
Lol, you all fall into Derrens trap.
He WANTS you to attack his explanation, he is creating skepticism, making people question him, in the hope they will question other people like psychics and mediums.
99% of the time the tricks Derren does on his TV shows are to fool the viewer and not the person on the show.
Derren does not believe in Hypnosis, he thinks 95% of NLP is rubbish, the man is a magician, everything he does is simple magic tricks.
If Uri Gellers greatest trick was to convinc the world he was psychic, then Derrens greatest magic trick is to convince people he is using psychological techniques.
Whether predicting the lottery was a simple camera trick, or one of the other 100 methods it doesn't matter. He has succeeded in making people question what they see on the telly.
That is what Derren wanted to achieve and that is exactly what he has done.
Well done Derren.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Sept 12, 2009 8:15:52 GMT
Watched the repeat and my thoughts are that of course he didn't reveal anything but it does make good viewing and I'm guessing a lot of the viewers believed everything he said
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Sept 12, 2009 8:16:44 GMT
ALso i wonder how many syndicates of 24 people will now pop up trying to do the same thing.
An I wonder how long it will be before one of these wins the lottery and then put it down to Derrens method
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Post by fluffet on Sept 12, 2009 9:18:56 GMT
Was wondering what peoples thoughts are on this .
Does a venture like this one and the three to follow encourage the public to apply critical thinking and by that i mean does it promote it and introduce it to those who may previously have been less likely to apply it or does it instead serve as a further confusion to the idea of critical thinking for them by offering them an explaination that appears to be just further mis direction and encouraging them instead to simply switch off the critical thinking switch and flip on the purely entertainment one instead ?
What i think i mean is from the feedback ive heard on this show in message boards , letter pages , conversations heard most everywhere the last few days , it has succeeded definatly in one thing , and thats getting people talking about the stunt and Derren Brown and as a publicity excersise and as entertainment it certainly has caught the publics attention.
And if that was the sole aim of the event then fair enough .
But if Derren aim was also to get people to look critically at what he did and to encourage them to think about it in a way that might broaden their views on how they react to and assess what they are told or see im not sure it was as successful as the "publicity" angle was.Why offer them all these "non woo" explainations on how he "might" have done it backed up with his clips of research and how he thought out the process of what he would do then pull the rug from under them when even these seemingly non woo answers may be as contrived and made up as the ones he shows as being flawed and manipulative in others. Does it leave people back where some may have started ? Believing that the "magic" the "unknown" of a situation is somehow special and more desirable or even acceptable as an explaination than the less fantastical harder to reach and more mundane reality ?
So many of the comments and conversations ive heard or read seemed to be either wildly elaborate theories that although inventive ignored glaring flaws in their thinking , or subscribed to the idea that he actually could predict the numbers ignoring the trick option altogether , or simply just went along the lines of a kind of blind adoration where a sort of "who cares how he did it " or "the guys a genius" or " we'll never know so lets all forget about thinking and just enjoy " which fair enough are opinions people may well hold but dont exactly offer much evidence for the stunt encouraging people to question or think more critically .
I know this stunt was not necessarily conceived with the main intention as a way to get the public to turn more to critical thinking soley...so i cant and dont really feel the need to be critical of Derren directly as he didnt state it was such an excersise ...but it has made me think and wonder if its had a beneficial effect on the nations ability to look at something rationally or if instead its reinforced this "awe" of anything unexplained and other than provide them with entertainment hasnt really made them stretch their views or look at things differently .
Its definatly pushed Derren to the next level of fame and public awareness though which im hoping in the long run means more people may become a little more inquisitve or knowledgable about his previous work and books and that in turn might clear up their misconceptions .
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Post by Amaris on Sept 12, 2009 14:18:49 GMT
Watched the repeat and my thoughts are that of course he didn't reveal anything but it does make good viewing and I'm guessing a lot of the viewers believed everything he said
Well the show would have been quite short if he just told people how he really did it.  |
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Sept 13, 2009 14:04:02 GMT
I agree it was a publicity stunt, Derrens fame has grown, so at the end of the day that will always be most important for him as it means more book and dvd sales
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not really ) 
