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Post by fluffet on Oct 20, 2009 0:57:28 GMT
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Post by The Legendary Barb on Oct 20, 2009 8:53:05 GMT
I can not in all honesty say she will be missed.I never saw her as a proper replacement for R Felix just another set of lungs to add to Yvette and Caths screaming, and boy could they scream. Fluff how come you get all this information so soon, have you got your very own deepthroat at M H  |
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Oct 20, 2009 11:14:01 GMT
So she will carry on doing everything except MH? lol
I feel sorry for her loss, but dont believe it is the reason for her leaving MH.
And agreed Richard Felix was the best
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Post by fluffet on Oct 20, 2009 21:59:28 GMT
There is as inevitably expected plenty of speculation out there as to possible other reasons for Lesley leaving than those alone she mentions in her official website.
One such speculative suggestion and of course as such far from verified doing the rounds is that increased complaints to Ofcom surrounding the discrepancy between the show being billed as "entertainment only" and comments made on the show that suggest otherwise or make statements that imply they are factual rather than mere speculation coupled with complaints made surrounding mistakes made by Lesley in her role as historian have possibly "contributed" to her decision to leave.
It should be said that although once again there is plenty of content on the internet that accuses her of making errors on the show with historical facts etc there is no evidence or verifiable proof that it has led to compliants to Ofcom nor that they have investigated any such claims regarding Lesley.
Just as there are many incidences of fans of the show expressing their dislike for Lesley in her role as historian around the internet forums and blogs there again is no verified proof that this apparent lack of favourabilty might have contributed to her decision to leave or Antixs opinion of her .
As with most tv programmes the crew and presenters will have termed contracts and it has been again speculated on that Lesley had such a contract.
Further unverified speculation suggests that this may have ensured her place on the show even if there was a wish by Antix to end her term with them for whatever reasons in the face of any complaints to Ofcom or lack of support from the fanbase for Lesley as a member of the team.
In such a hypothetical situation it could be speculated that a decision to leave rather than put up with the often quite cruel diatribes from the fans and perhaps even discord within the ranks of Antix coupled with the possibility of having complaints against her at Ofcom would again hypothetically cause you to think "stuff this for a game of soldiers". With the added personal situation and bereavement such a situation would increase the pressure.
On the flip side though it seems unlikely that what appears to be a genuine friendship with several of the team would allow for any kind of "personal differences" to have contributed to her reasons for leaving...that said and purely from my own observations of the lives and not so much from evidenced fact it shoulf be said , i do feel there is an air of unease between her and Fred Batt when they are together delivering the "research" segments . Unlike the rapport that seems apparent when she is talking with Paul Ross/Julian/Yvette/Cath etc any exchanges between them often seem tense and forced.
There also seems to be a general air of thinly veiled annoyance and almost a weary tolerance with many of the team including Lesley towards Brian Shepphard which ive observed again purely in my own opinion on the live and shows.
If these observations have any grounding in them then its possible in this situation it would add to a wish to leave the show for pastures new.
To be fair to Lesley a bereavement especially one of someone so close can cause you to reasses and reevaluate what is most important to you and being part of a show thats subject is continually immersed in death and speculation on the afterlife is understandibly perhaps not the kind of thing you would wish to be so heavily involved in for a good part of your time.
And the time involved in filming and researching for MH would be extensive for someone who appears to have several other heavy working/education commitments.
However as Jon mentioned it may be more telling that the commitment she chose to drop amongst all her others was MH ...then again it may just be she simply wanted to pursue the others more.
On a more general MH note i was wondering if anyone might have heard something more substantial than just rumours surrounding Ofcoms intervention on the Statton Island episode on the last series.
There is again speculation around the internet that due to errors made by Lesley and other areas of the show Ofcom werent happy and they put a stop to the show airing as it was until it was re edited.
Ive not been able to find any confirmation that this was the case however and wondered if anyone else had heard this or perhaps had more reliable information surrounding it ?
Between the claims of complaints from Denbigh residents after the last Halloween live that the tourist trade had suffered due to the claims made by MH on the show about the areas connection with witchcraft , demonic worship , the apparent displeasure of even some of the die hard fans with Brian Shepphard , Lesley Smith , and Billy Roberts inclusion in the show , the Ofcom attention , the "whitenoise radio" debacle with Degsie, the continued exposure of errors and speculation on the shows authenticity etc, and the seemingly ever changing cast list of mediums/crew/historians/resident sceptics on the show over the last few years you have to wonder if there may be unrepairable cracks appearing in the future of the show .
Comment is rarely if ever made on any of the speculation by Antix and far from appearing to wind down they are undertaking even longer lives with hints at a huge undertaking as a live in March of this year which begs the question is the speculative demise of MH nothing more than rumours and presumptions or is it indeed a rocky ship with more hidden inside stories and revelations than even the most rabid critic of the show might conjour.
To be honest i often think there is a hell of a lot of made up drama created out there by fans and critics alike surrounding just what goes on or doesnt in the show and behind the scenes.
The reality most likely is there have been arguments, there have been personal differences, there may very well be things going on and situations embelished and created that are not as they appear on tv, and there is evidence that shows some extremely compelling cases against the validity and authenticity of what they claim to be doing and for the idea that the shows history has been fraught with disagreements and fallouts.
Although i do find the "in if for fun" in direct opposition to the "we are serious about what we do" claims that seem to be made alternatively by those involved in the show depending on what interview or situation they are in extremely contradictive and hypocritical there is an air that perhaps sometimes the drama thats created around the show gives it way to much attention and focus when perhaps in reality it is nothing more than a show created by two incredibly media savvy people who may have a genuine interest in the paranormal albeit a very sensationalistic interest often based in fantasy but who have used that interest as the platform for a show idea then built it up as their whole career and life with considerable financial sucess .
The constant discrepancies between what Karl and Yvette say in interviews and in the media or even on their own channels discussion show and what they purvey and comment on within the MH shows leaves many questioning the real drive behind what they do and their position seems everchanging in regards to many of the subjects they cover on the shows .
On one hand they frequently portray especially on the lives interview segments and on their paranormal channels Unexplained debate show views and impressions that do not match or concur with what they then go on to do and say on the MH shows themselves.
Taking apart what they do on the shows and the authenticity of it the general perception of them albeit only from what the public see on screen and in the media such as their "in bed with karl and yvette" show seems to be that of a genuinely devoted couple who have a sense of humour and live a very quirky and comfortable life almost to the point that you might consider that perhaps rather than intentionally setting out to fool the public they are instead just bumbling along with their obsession under the impression that its all "good entertainment" and affords them a descent living.
But that impression however fleeting always gives way to a feeling that no two people that savvy , that experienced in the media and with that amount of resource and attention available to them could in reality be that niave of the obvious flaws and perception of what they do with the audience they target...they are business savvy and at the end of the day it IS a business that requires viewers and fans to keep it alive.
What people see of them as a result has to reinforce that and so the public are left never really knowing which side they show of themselves or the views they express is the more prevalent in reality.
My own opinion is that somewhere along the line their interest became an all encompassing ever attention demanding greater thrill and shock needing monster ....the popularity requires a constant ever increasing need to outdo the last to keep the viewers coming and the machine of MH keeps rolling on that contraversey and fascination with the public for more action more macabre situations and increasingly more shlock horror scare tactics along with those who watch to see the car crash comedic tv value it secretly revels and encourages in. Perhaps long ago they wished to attempt albeit ill informed investigation into the paranormal but that seems to have long been forgotton once the attention and business potential became far more delectable a promise to forgo for even vaguely "serious" or "scientific" pursuit of evidence.
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Post by fluffet on Oct 20, 2009 22:14:20 GMT
Optrex and matchsticks are available on request from Fluffets emporium....sorry for the length of head rattling rambles guys n gals. Why the hell it fascinates and riles me in equal measure frequently causes me to be a little sick in my mouth coupled with an instant swell of post comment embarrasement  Rehab and self beating about the head with a rolled up copy of the metro will commence instantly |
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Post by The Legendary Barb on Oct 21, 2009 8:37:35 GMT
Hi Fluff, no need for embarrassment, as ever a great post.  |
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Post by onewingedangel on Oct 21, 2009 8:41:12 GMT
Ohhh is that my hearing coming back?
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Post by The Legendary Barb on Oct 21, 2009 21:19:08 GMT
When I finally get my hearing aid do you think there might be a chance that I may pick up some noises that other can not hear?. Like the gadgets they use on T A PS, ooooer what a thought. You never know what I might just hear. ;D |
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Post by tonia on Oct 21, 2009 22:00:20 GMT
If her mother's just popped her clogs, I would've thought hanging around with the MH posse would've been a great idea - she could ask a medium, to ask her mother where she'd hidden the family silver - plus..she could've engineered a whole new show of her own..'Watching For Mother'
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Post by thecraftycockney on Oct 23, 2009 14:35:09 GMT
I for one will miss Most Haunted when it all ends. It has been great entertainment and Derek has given us all something to laugh about. There have been some classics several spring to mind: Aldwych Underground Station, the search for Dick Turpin, the house of Detention and the Uri Gellor episode. I suspect despite all the harping from some of the faces on here, they also will be annoyed when Evette calls it a day.
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Post by hoppapod on Oct 24, 2009 18:47:44 GMT
Really interesting!! Who can blame her for not getting on with Nosferatu and Fred Twat?!! Especially if she has pretentions of being a serious 'historian' - being associated with the show can't do much for her credability as an academic.
MH really should get rid of Twat, Nosferatu and Cath - WHAT is the point of her?!!!! No wonder no ghosts show with her around......
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Post by fluffet on Oct 24, 2009 20:53:16 GMT
Dr John Calloway has just appeared as the new most haunted live "historian".
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Post by morganp on Oct 24, 2009 23:28:23 GMT
Excellent, informative post Fluff that was well worth reading morganp |
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Post by fluffet on Oct 25, 2009 21:39:08 GMT
Cheers Morg By the way the new guy is actually called Dr John Callow i think ....bloody rossy keeps saying callow then calloway ....he sounds like the red headed one in peep show only is terminally less amusing . |
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Post by johnno25 on Feb 22, 2010 17:05:35 GMT
I actually always have liked Lesley! She always made me chuckle! I suspect also like some others that there is more than meets the eye to her departure and I hope she comes through her grief; Losing your mother must be terrible (thankfully that has not happened to me yet), and I wish Lesley all the best. She was one of the better MH team.
I awould also have more belief if Stuart and Karl were not always doing vigils together....mmmmm, me suspicious of these two!
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Feb 22, 2010 19:32:43 GMT
Got to wonder why she is back on the show though, Its well known that Yvette got rid of her and cant stand her.
I wonder if Karl forced Yvette to have her back on, but for what reason?
Cant be for a future book project, hell the one with Ciaran bombed only 11,000 copies sold, ad when you have paid a ghost writer £7000 in the first place, not much money was made at all!!
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Post by Ma'amJo on Feb 22, 2010 20:33:45 GMT
A ghost writer? Did they find him/her on an investigation?  |
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Post by fluffet on Mar 9, 2010 20:24:06 GMT
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Post by traceyg on Mar 9, 2010 21:47:29 GMT
Yeah she probably made a few quid working on MH and MHL for a few years, that's probably why she left the show, so MH was obviously a stepping stone for her to lift her profile and for her to go back to her true love Tutbury Castle.
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Post by The Legendary Barb on Mar 10, 2010 9:25:24 GMT
We have been hearing of her leaving M H for some time now,I wonder when she will actualy go ,and take her inane screaming with her.
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