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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Jul 22, 2010 15:50:59 GMT
They only win if you let them win. keep fighting, you dont need me anymore.
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Post by traceyg on Jul 22, 2010 16:28:32 GMT
they only win because people want to pay to see them and waste their money on them badpsychics should carry on regardless because if it takes that one only person like me 2 years ago to open their eyes to these frauds then it's a job worth done.
I don't want this site to finish, it's been a breath of fresh air to me, these psychics mean nothing to me but i will stand my ground and say they are all ridiculous! i'd rather be sensible than deluded...please jon think again and come back when you're ready?
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Post by Amaris on Jul 22, 2010 20:14:54 GMT
keep fighting, you dont need me anymore. I think you're wrong, we do need you.
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Post by star on Jul 22, 2010 20:44:30 GMT
keep fighting, you dont need me anymore. I think you're wrong, we do need you. Totally agree. Jon, if people see that the sole person who took up the fight has now given up, then they have no leader and have lost the will for the cause. Surely you can see that? Yes, I know it's selfish of us to feel that way, but it's the truth.x
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Post by wombatwal on Jul 22, 2010 23:10:03 GMT
Jon, you do what you feel is right for you. You may decide in the future to come back in your way later. If it is a hands on or hands off role it does not matter, it is up to you.
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Post by fluffet on Jul 22, 2010 23:30:18 GMT
I've just caught up with the latest email, have to agree I think the place will suffer greatly from having no direction or Jon's input and momentum.
With no clear future or leadership or will power behind it all that will be left is a chat board with no real impact or purpose and that would be the biggest shame of all.
Whilst I understand Jons had enough and needs to concentrate more on his own life and other things that are more important in the grand scheme of things perhaps I don't understand why being let down by other skeptics or parapsychologists or a bit of idiotic abuse by a few slack jawed self dramatists has had such an impact on Jon over the support and will to keep the place going strong available from members and friends here.
Perhaps that support for the site should have been made more apparent and I definatly think more members could offer more in the way of contribution even in small ways that might take the pressure off Jon but that is something that can be obtained and encouraged ....the support of people who have no involvement and who always had their own agenda or just simply always were going to have a pop and disagree with what the site is about however should never have any impact yet it seems it has.
It's up to every member now if they really care about this place and the aims Jon had for it to keep it going and to take it into the future...if its to survive then its time everyone who wants it to makes some form of contribution to its content , to ideas for what to do with it and for support to keep it somewhere that isnt just a figurehead less chat board with no real direction or purpose.
I don't know what Jon thinks or would want to happen or if he will come back but meanwhile till he does its up to every last one of the members to do what they can to help and to contribute and to offer their ideas.
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Post by fluffet on Jul 23, 2010 3:28:36 GMT
Does anyone know have all the articles, information and fraudfiles from the mainsite been archived or have they gone 'poof' into the internet graveyard ?
There was some mass of great resource there that now no one will see or find which is a crying shame ...could the mainsite just not have had comments disabled if the reason for closing it was a threat of abuse being left on it ?
It just seems like a massive waste.
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Post by The Legendary Barb on Jul 23, 2010 14:03:12 GMT
I am sure there are many members out there Fluff who would like to continue contributing to keep the site going. Because Jon has deemed it necessary to step aside ,it does not follow that the opening for such a site has also gone. I agree, it is very mysterious where all that much needed info has gone to. I too hope it has not gone up in a puff of smoke. Perhaps if Jon is still around, he can enlighten us as to its whereabouts. If not, it would seem we have to start again from scratch!!!!!! but only if everybody is up for it. Now thats going to be fun. ;D
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Jul 23, 2010 17:38:58 GMT
Totally agree. Jon, if people see that the sole person who took up the fight has now given up, then they have no leader and have lost the will for the cause. Surely you can see that? Yes, I know it's selfish of us to feel that way, but it's the truth.x But i am not the leader, and dont want to be one. This is the chance for people who claim they have learned things on here to step up. Anyone can start their own blog these days.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Jul 23, 2010 17:41:56 GMT
I've just caught up with the latest email, have to agree I think the place will suffer greatly from having no direction or Jon's input and momentum. So why dont you step up and take a leadership role yourself? Again why does that need to be me? I no longer have the passion, so as a leader i am no good. That was mearly the final straw. Ive been doing this for 5 years. I simply dont have the passion to do it any more Why dont you create some kind of Wiki type site, that way people from here could contribute themselves
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Jul 23, 2010 17:44:03 GMT
Does anyone know have all the articles, information and fraudfiles from the mainsite been archived or have they gone 'poof' into the internet graveyard ? They are all still there. If you want give me your main site username and i will give you mod status, then whn you login the whole site will be available to you
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Post by antmania on Jul 23, 2010 19:55:34 GMT
Sorry you are leaving Jon and been let down by people who should know better. I agree though that there are some capable people on here with the time to step up to the fore and take over the mantle with the same passion Jon had at one time. If we care about this forum then I hope some people feel strongly enough to keep the fight going. In the meantime, whatever you do Jon, best wishes and hope you regain the passion at some point.
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Post by fluffet on Jul 23, 2010 23:51:34 GMT
So why don’t you step up and take a leadership role yourself ?
The honest answer Jon is mainly because I would feel working 40 hours a week plus overtime already wouldn’t allow me to devote the time I’d need or want to give to do it to the best of my ability. That and I have no previous experience in running a website or the technical aspects involved. I have zero spare cash resource wise and have no idea of the costs involved. Bar the members on here I have no contacts within the skeptical or the spiritual communities (although that may actually be a positive), and there’s the important factor of anyone even wanting or supporting the idea of me in that role in the first place.
What I would be confident in offering is as much spare time, support, resources and passion that I do have available, sharing that with anyone else who can offer the same in the interim till the fate of the site is decided.
I suppose where prospective candidates to take over are concerned there might be an element of feeling the site and BP name isn’t their own creation and if they were going to take on such a demanding role they would want it to be something they had conceived and shaped themselves …I honestly don’t know what anyone else thinks about offering to step into the breach Jon.
I guess in the long run only one of a few things can happen, someone takes over soley and runs BP as a going concern, a few people share the leadership duties as a group still under the BP name , or the site goes to the wall and people go off and start their own blogs/sites/projects instead.
The BP name isn’t the most important thing Jon has created , I think his biggest achievment is in getting all the people he has interested enough to challenge their own beliefs and those of others , to question and debate the subjects BP covered and to use what they learned or gained from that to go on and do the same for others.
Wherever they go on to do that and under whatever name or form they do is the real legacy that should go on and continue. Jon has more than done his bit over the years.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Jul 24, 2010 6:16:34 GMT
A simple blog on www.blogger.com is free as far as I know. As for BP, i tried to let someone take over before and it was a disaster, so no I want be doing that. I have no problem with someone using the resources and archive of BP, like i said everything is there.
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Post by catharine on Jul 24, 2010 22:33:58 GMT
The BP name isn’t the most important thing Jon has created , I think his biggest achievment is in getting all the people he has interested enough to challenge their own beliefs and those of others , to question and debate the subjects BP covered and to use what they learned or gained from that to go on and do the same for others. Hear hear! Jon, I sent you a personal email but wanted to follow up on the site also. I was surprised to hear that you were stepping down, but I can understand your need to take some time out. You have always struck me as someone who is full of ideas and gumption - so I suspect in time you will 'be back' Arnie styles perhaps with another outlet for all that renewed energy. If there is anything I can do in terms of 'stepping up' as a member then let me know. Renewing my daily visitations to the forum probably wouldn't hurt - slack b*tch!
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Jul 25, 2010 6:28:42 GMT
If you want to step up, create your own little blog, with your own articles and educational material.
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Post by paddyrex on Jul 31, 2010 13:50:51 GMT
Would there be any scope in reforming the old content into a Wiki? That way it can be managed collaboratively and continue to grow and be a resource.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Jul 31, 2010 18:46:02 GMT
If you want to take that on mate feel free and i'll help you with the content from BP.
But be warned, be prepared for the legal challenged, the abuse, and the general crap.
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Post by paddyrex on Jul 31, 2010 19:20:30 GMT
Before I took it on I would look for some advice on the legalities as I don't know much about that kind of stuff. I'd also need to research the hosting and running of a wiki to see how it works and whether it would be suitable. Also what would be the aims of the site? If all that stuff passed then I'd be looking for some trusted editors to help run it. I think doing it by myself would drive me insane and put a lot of strain on other aspects of my life. A quick google search has turned up skepticwiki.org/index.php/Main_Pageso it's hardly a new idea. Hmm, I'll do some thinking
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