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Post by Me on Apr 21, 2007 20:15:25 GMT
How can a medium see and talk to the dead? To find out that answer, why not go to badpsychics.com and take a look around? You should have plenty of info then to see how mediums see and talk to the dead. When asked many times the sceppies on here actually have no idea of how mediums supposedly speak to the dead!
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Apr 21, 2007 21:25:05 GMT
Neither do the self proclaimed mediums
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Post by bobdezon on Apr 21, 2007 22:10:15 GMT
Touché.
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Post by Me on Apr 21, 2007 22:14:45 GMT
Neither do the self proclaimed mediums I do hope that was a sweeping statment Jon. Knowing the difference between a psychic and a medium would be a start!
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Post by bobdezon on Apr 22, 2007 1:42:08 GMT
Neither do the self proclaimed mediums I do hope that was a sweeping statment Jon. Knowing the difference between a psychic and a medium would be a start! About £15 a reading?
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Apr 22, 2007 9:12:29 GMT
Buuuurrrrrrnnnn!! Lol
As for knowing the difference between a psychic and a medium, maybe you should ask John Edward.
he ALWAYS refers to himself as a PSYCHIC, yet he is plainly a medium.
The Americans generally refer to themselves as psychics, where as the British tend to want to be more specific.
At the end of the day this imature discussion is pointless when neither a psychic nor a medium can actually back up any of their claims.
As I have said many times 100% of mediums fail when you remove the chance to cheat, including you
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Post by Me on Apr 22, 2007 10:04:21 GMT
I do hope that was a sweeping statment Jon. Knowing the difference between a psychic and a medium would be a start! About £15 a reading? Actually no, the moneitary value does not change and that is a problem in itself and is fraudulent by the psychic performing a supposed service! Many will go to psychic and indeed supposedly receive messages from the departed,when infact as a psychic they would be merely reading the person in front of them and not linking in any shape or form with a spirit bod. Sceptics certainly should know the difference between a psychic and a medium regardless of your belief or non belief in them. If you do not upon judging them it would have to be a general one. And regarding testing one if you dont know what your testing or understand the difference how the heck are you going to implement a test that is affective in dismissing or confirming anything!
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Post by Me on Apr 22, 2007 10:05:17 GMT
he ALWAYS refers to himself as a PSYCHIC, yet he is plainly a medium....<--- who is?
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Post by Me on Apr 22, 2007 10:08:59 GMT
At the end of the day this imature discussion is pointless when neither a psychic nor a medium can actually back up any of their claims.<----Then how can you or anyone else talk with such authority and then in turn what is the pointiof BP?
As I have said many times 100% of mediums fail when you remove the chance to cheat, including you <----Jon do the maths..1 person against hundreds I have read for..
And if you actually understood mediumship as you claim to, you would also understand why mediums supposedly fail under test conditions.. your very simple answer will be becaus ethey are fakes,or because you removed the possibility of cheating.It has nothing to do with it in all cases,and I know certainly not in mine!
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Post by hellyp on Apr 22, 2007 11:25:47 GMT
he ALWAYS refers to himself as a PSYCHIC, yet he is plainly a medium....<--- who is? John Edward.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Apr 22, 2007 11:30:23 GMT
he ALWAYS refers to himself as a PSYCHIC, yet he is plainly a medium....<--- who is? John Edward. Did you not read the line before?
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Apr 22, 2007 11:33:13 GMT
As I have said many times 100% of mediums fail when you remove the chance to cheat, including you <----Jon do the maths..1 person against hundreds I have read for Iwill put my knowledge of how to stop cheating up against those 100 any day of the week. Give 1000 readings to believers, or people who do not understand how to prevent cheating, and i would expect anyone to do very well. it nly takes one very knowledgeable person who knows how to prevent cheating to be able to prove his point, which it was. Yes i would, which is why i had 3 readings, all in different circumstances to enable the medium to overcome such problems. If you remove the chance to cheat, then the medium fails 100% of the time. It doesnt matter if you know you are a fraud, or if you are simply deluded, you will still fail.
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Post by hellyp on Apr 22, 2007 11:42:36 GMT
Kendra can I ask why it is that mediums do fail testing if it's not because they're cheating? You say it's not because of the removal of cheating, but you don't go on to say why it is.
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Post by sceptical on Apr 22, 2007 12:00:17 GMT
Jon, can I offer you a bit of friendly advice? If you hope that the believers will listen to your claims about mediums, then I seriously wouldn't offend them by calling them "deluded" and "gullible idiots", since when is it their fault that they get conned by those evil people who are frauds.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Apr 22, 2007 12:39:37 GMT
Jon, can I offer you a bit of friendly advice? If you hope that the believers will listen to your claims about mediums, then I seriously wouldn't offend them by calling them "deluded" and "gullible idiots", since when is it their fault that they get conned by those evil people who are frauds. I do not call believers deluded, I call mediums deluded, or fraudulent. And if someone who is a believer simply refuses to open their eyes to what is obvious in front of them, then they are idiots. My opinion on this forum is just that, my opinion. I do not set out to convince anyone on this forum. The main site is the outlet for my creative side, the forum is just a place to chill out and chat
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Post by thursfield on Apr 22, 2007 14:15:45 GMT
CHILLLLLLLLL
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Post by sceptical on Apr 22, 2007 15:10:35 GMT
But it is part of your site is it not? You Jon, as the administrator...etc, shouldn't you be professional in your position on this site, having your opinions is fine, but surely calling people deluded without facts isn't justified. I don't see how this site can be taken seriously with its reports...etc when you have behaviour such as this. Investigating is one thing but insulting is another. I respect the work you do Jon, but I just don't agree with the manner of it.
I run a related website, and I certainly don't go around, even on the forum, calling people (yes including 'mediums') deluded or idiots. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, no matter what we think. A mature manner goes along way. As much as I have had deep debates with believers, I still don't end up calling them "deluded idiots." and make them feel small.
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Post by alfie on Apr 22, 2007 16:44:03 GMT
But it is part of your site is it not? You Jon, as the administrator...etc, shouldn't you be professional in your position on this site, having your opinions is fine, but surely calling people deluded without facts isn't justified. I don't see how this site can be taken seriously with its reports...etc when you have behaviour such as this. Investigating is one thing but insulting is another. I respect the work you do Jon, but I just don't agree with the manner of it. I run a related website, and I certainly don't go around, even on the forum, calling people (yes including 'mediums') deluded or idiots. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, no matter what we think. A mature manner goes along way. As much as I have had deep debates with believers, I still don't end up calling them "deluded idiots." and make them feel small. well said sceptical
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Post by dustybin on Apr 22, 2007 18:59:50 GMT
I would be interested in how it is meant to work.Can you explain some of it perhaps?
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Apr 22, 2007 19:33:54 GMT
But it is part of your site is it not? You Jon, as the administrator...etc, shouldn't you be professional in your position on this site, having your opinions is fine, but surely calling people deluded without facts isn't justified. Someone claims they hear the voices of the dead, either they are mentally disabled, or deluded, to call them deluded is being polite. I dont care if you take this site seriously or not, i refuse to be told how i can and cannot speak to people. Thats upto you. Why dont you share with us your site, and then i can judge you like you do me. Hey, you are not one of those scientologist nuts are you? It is not about making them feel smal, it is simply about stating a fact as i see it, I get called much worse by my own admin
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