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Post by Kim on Mar 30, 2007 11:03:08 GMT
Perhaps he should have trained as a counselor then!
There will always be a time when someone who cold reads gets something right, laws of probability and all that!
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Post by seagull69 on Mar 30, 2007 13:03:09 GMT
I think I read somewhere that he is a trained counsellor, may be wrong though. As for the laws of probability I doubt it. he was to bang on for that. I wouldn't dismiss plants in the audience though.
As I said I have seen his act a couple of times. I plan to go again to the same theatre to see if he goes to the same areas as he has done on the last 2 shows.
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Post by Kim on Mar 30, 2007 17:44:54 GMT
I think I read somewhere that he is a trained counsellor, may be wrong though. As for the laws of probability I doubt it. he was to bang on for that. I wouldn't dismiss plants in the audience though. As I said I have seen his act a couple of times. I plan to go again to the same theatre to see if he goes to the same areas as he has done on the last 2 shows. Oh is he!!!! Haven't read too much about him tbh. I have seen his "show" on the TV while channel hopping, stopped once for a cringe! Depends on what you would call "bang on", he would have to tell me something exceptional that only I know for me to believe him! I saw Tony Stockwell once at a local school, the comedy content was good, the readings were cold. It was all kind of vague and if your desperate enough to want to believe him its easy to make things fit! |
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Post by seagull69 on Mar 30, 2007 17:53:49 GMT
What he said to a group of females appeared to be "bang on" I actually think that there may be people planted in the audience. I thought Tony Stockwells performance was better than Colin Fry's. I am a Skeptic just fascinated at how they do it. Is there a book on cold reading that anyone can recommend
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Post by Kim on Mar 30, 2007 19:25:09 GMT
I think there is some info somewhere on the main site - Jon will let you know
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Post by thursfield on Mar 30, 2007 22:40:19 GMT
being open minded and being a skeptic go hand in hand, the main thing that ive always found is that you dont let yourself be taken in by someone giving what YOU regard as a good reading on one or possibly two occasions and take it from that that youve just heard messages from someone that has passed away and trying to make contact with a loved one.
the point that im trying to make is that you realy realy need to be skeptical due to amount of so called madiums that are suddenly bursting foreward and on to the television screens, its a big BUSINESS, and a real money spinner for those of them that arnt even good at what they are supposed to be doing due to the feelings of individuals after losing someone that they were close to or loved for many years, consequentialy it then doesnt realy take a lot for someone to actualy make them believe that their loved one is actualy there in the same room as them trying to make contact with them through the person perporting to be speaking on their behalf...believe me ..I KNOW IVE BEEN THERE.
it takes a lot of a persons self to actualy stop yourself from believeing the first person that says IVE GOT A MESSAGE FOR YOU..?
be skeptical, be open minded, but at the same time always try to be practical in thinking 'if they are saying this then why did the other one say something else'..some people lie to make money from you, just remain very open minded but at the same time remain practical..if you know what i mean that is..lol;)
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Post by seagull69 on Mar 31, 2007 9:58:58 GMT
Thanks for the advice thursfield. When I have been to see Colin Fry and Tony Stockwell the furthest thing from my mind is that I will recieve an actual message. I go because I am fascinated by what they do. I actually find it good entertainment and never feel that I have been ripped off.
I would love to do a survey of an audience to see how many are believers and how many are skeptics. I was surprised at the last show that I went to how many were there the first time.
Do I believe that people are coming through from the other side. Logic tells me its rubbish. I would have to get a message to convince me otherwise.
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Post by hellyp on Mar 31, 2007 10:44:33 GMT
If that man is trained as a counsellor, she should be struck off any professional register he's on. I'm training to be a counsellor myself, and he goes against absolutely everything to do with what a counsellor should be.
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Post by exile on Mar 31, 2007 11:09:44 GMT
What amazes me at these things are how the audience are wanting everyone who comes through to be their relative. Even the slightest little link they will leap on and push their hands up in the air, like the swotty kids at school, to try and get the medium to talk to them!! The medium can't go wrong!  |
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Post by alfie on Mar 31, 2007 13:02:04 GMT
What amazes me at these things are how the audience are wanting everyone who comes through to be their relative. Even the slightest little link they will leap on and push their hands up in the air, like the swotty kids at school, to try and get the medium to talk to them!! The medium can't go wrong! Exactly exile, I have seen that happen in open circles never mind a show, if people are so desperate for a messege, they will accept anything the medium says andthe medium has to take the word of that person, though a good genuine medium, show know whether he is with that person or not !!! |
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Post by thursfield on Mar 31, 2007 16:11:01 GMT
its called desperation, for some of the audience its an experience that they wanted to have, i/e see if something happend or what it was like, for others its a willingness or want or need for someone that they loved who passed away to actualy make contact with them telling them or showing them that they simply havnt ceased to exist and all that is left is just the memories they have of them before they past away.
the trouble is that the vast majority of these so called mediums are just after two things, one the money that they are getting from the audience being willing to pay to listen to them and the other the notoriety that they may actualy get which will then lead to even more financial gain.
how many mediums that attract audiences with the exception of a spiritualist church do you know or have even heard of that actualy do what they do for free, no charge whatsoever..not many at all.??
the rule that i normaly go by now is that if they are on the television, or advertise with proffesional posters in the streets, then as far as im concerned they are raking a small fortune in by doing their mediumships and so are mainly on the whole nothing but entertaining fakers that are in all likelyhood experienced cold readers and ut to make a killing , if youll pardon the pun.
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Post by seagull69 on Mar 31, 2007 17:39:31 GMT
the trouble is that the vast majority of these so called mediums are just after two things, one the money that they are getting from the audience being willing to pay to listen to them and the other the notoriety that they may actualy get which will then lead to even more financial gain. . But they do run the risk that by being in the media spotlight they risk being exposed. Our Media like to build people up then knock them down. |
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Post by hellyp on Apr 1, 2007 9:53:00 GMT
They're not running any risk, they're making a killing. That, as far as I'm concerned, is the only reason they do it. TV and stage mediums have been exposed over and over again, but they still keep pulling in the audiences. I mean look at Derek Acorah. He got exposed big style. Has he stopped claiming to be a medium? Has he stopped performing? Is he suffering financial hardship? I think not.
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Post by k8 on Apr 1, 2007 11:03:57 GMT
Sounds Crass but I'd love to take a look at Derek's Bank Statements!
The guy has spent years totting up his money on the backs of vaunrable Grieving individuals who are searching for closure when they should really be talking to qualified people.
He and lot of the others are just plain greedy and always looking for more cash opportunities!
I shall now jump off my high horse and carry on lol ;D
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Post by hellyp on Apr 1, 2007 11:06:20 GMT
Have your first karma.  |
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Post by niceguyt on Apr 1, 2007 20:01:49 GMT
Im a noobie too and I m so glad that I came across a site like this for intelligent discussion of the paranormal. At first I was taken in by Mr. Fry too then I found out about cold reading and also the benefits of T.V editing, but some of the info he comes out with does seem very personal to that particular person he's " reading " at the time , so it can't all be down to cold reading, good though he may be at it. I remember reading a report by someone who had attended a Colin Fry program recording and they mentioned that the audience were kept waiting in a hospitality room for an inordinate amount of time. I t could be that some of Mr. Fry's " researchers" ( he must have a team helping him out) were mingling with the guests and subtly pumping them for info, ready to relay it back to Mr. Fry in time for the recording. Interestingly Colin Fry came in late himself. Apparently on some T.V psychic shows you have to put down why you want to attend ( to contact granny or hear from uncle Tom, etc.) on the ticket application. So there are always ways and means of gaining info about people. I have to agree that many T.V psychics leave a bad taste in the mouth morally, even if their motives are benign in trying to help people thru their grief or unfinished business with the deceased; in the end it's still manipulation of vulnerable people at very often a difficult time in their lives.
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Post by thursfield on Apr 1, 2007 20:46:05 GMT
Sounds Crass but I'd love to take a look at Derek's Bank Statements! The guy has spent years totting up his money on the backs of vaunrable Grieving individuals who are searching for closure when they should really be talking to qualified people. He and lot of the others are just plain greedy and always looking for more cash opportunities! I shall now jump off my high horse and carry on lol ;D exactly , if they wernt making an extreemely good living thank you very much, do you actualy just for one second believe that they would actualy be doing all of this outts the goodness of their hearts. do you think that messers fry and stockwell would be so willing to fund their PSYCHICS SCHOOL out of their own back pockets with their STUDENTS having their lessons or whatever for completely free grattis...i think not.? parliament realy needs to take this seriously and revamp the fake mediums act asap and actualy put the fear of god in to these people if youll forgive the pun yet again?? their actions, without any scientific approval or testing beyond reasonable doubt is completely and utterly appalling, bring back pendal i say , lol |
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Post by teecee on Apr 1, 2007 22:30:47 GMT
I too, have gone from being an avid believer in mediums and psychics (though not all of them by any means) to being somewhat sceptical but I have to say, I too have been more impressed by Colin Fry than some others. I don't really know exactly what cold reading is but I think I get a rough idea from what's been said on here, and I can see that some of it goes on in his shows...The thing is though, I do know someone who was given a reading on one of his shows which was very accurate and went into areas very particular to that person - also, the lady concerned went along to the show at the last minute - someone gave her the tickets when they couldn't make the show themselves, so, I don't know, I can't really explain how he does it.
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Post by thursfield on Apr 1, 2007 22:56:30 GMT
yes but without the full story of the events that may have taken place whilst in the audience prior to starting the show, what was possibly said between herself and her companion etc, who was possibly listening to their private conversation ? was someone possibly passing little snipets to others regarding certain persons in the audience?. may sound a little argumetative but its more than possible as been shown with that particualr show in the past?  |
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Post by exile on Apr 1, 2007 23:13:37 GMT
Im a noobie too and I m so glad that I came across a site like this for intelligent discussion of the paranormal. At first I was taken in by Mr. Fry too then I found out about cold reading and also the benefits of T.V editing, but some of the info he comes out with does seem very personal to that particular person he's " reading " at the time , so it can't all be down to cold reading, good though he may be at it. I remember reading a report by someone who had attended a Colin Fry program recording and they mentioned that the audience were kept waiting in a hospitality room for an inordinate amount of time. I t could be that some of Mr. Fry's " researchers" ( he must have a team helping him out) were mingling with the guests and subtly pumping them for info, ready to relay it back to Mr. Fry in time for the recording. Interestingly Colin Fry came in late himself. Apparently on some T.V psychic shows you have to put down why you want to attend ( to contact granny or hear from uncle Tom, etc.) on the ticket application. So there are always ways and means of gaining info about people. I have to agree that many T.V psychics leave a bad taste in the mouth morally, even if their motives are benign in trying to help people thru their grief or unfinished business with the deceased; in the end it's still manipulation of vulnerable people at very often a difficult time in their lives. Good post niceguyt and welcome to the forum!  Colin Fry's programme is heavily edited. Remember that it is in the television companies best interest to make him look as good as possible! |
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