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Post by teecee on Apr 2, 2007 8:27:28 GMT
thursfield, I take your point, and I must admit I don't know what happened in the run up to the show, only that a couple of bits of info he gave were things you felt he couldn't have known - and not the usual run of the mill stuff - I obviously can't give details as it's someone else's story not mine, though I'm sure if I did, those of you with far more experience of watching, and studying mediums than I have would be able to show me several ways in which it could have been done... all's I can say of Colin Fry is, if it's trickery it's darn good - he must have an ace team behind him.
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Post by seagull69 on Apr 2, 2007 10:08:16 GMT
As I have said before. The best way to see him perform is live. Then make your mind up. I think he puts on a very entertaining show. I am suspicious that he puts some of his team in the audience. I will be going to his next show in October and so may have a better understanding of how he does it.
As for conning the vunerable. I don't see many of this type in the audience and at the end of the day you have the choice whether to pay your money or not.
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Post by hellyp on Apr 2, 2007 13:38:54 GMT
If he really is a medium, why aren't all his comments spot on? Also, what does a vulnerable person look like?
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Post by seagull69 on Apr 2, 2007 14:45:55 GMT
If he really is a medium, why aren't all his comments spot on? Also, what does a vulnerable person look like? I actually don't believe he is genuine. Just impressed by his performance. Good point about vulnerable people but from what I see at his shows everyone seems upbeat. I don't see many grieving people sobbing into pictures of their departed love ones. What I do take from his shows is a lot of warmth and positive vibes so fair play to the guy.
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Post by hellyp on Apr 2, 2007 15:39:23 GMT
I'm glad everyone leaves feeling positive. However, a lot of people do go to see mediums because they are desperate to hear from dead loved ones. I suppose that you could argue that even if he isn't genuine, if he is helping people feel better, that's not a bad thing. However, there is something about tricking people, even if the outcome is positive, which smells very, very bad to me. Personally, I would rather grieving relatives went to visit a counsellor, a trained professional, where they can heal themselves by dealing with the truth as it shows itself in their real lives.
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Post by seagull69 on Apr 2, 2007 16:05:04 GMT
hmm counsellors can mess with peoples heads as much as anyone. I think its all about choice. If it works its ok
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Post by k8 on Apr 2, 2007 16:21:17 GMT
I agree people are free to visit mediums etc BUT these mediums need to be kept tabs on with regards to the real truth of their abilities.
I've seen a few mediums at work but you cannot by any means pin-point vaunrable people lol if we could then hell we'd all be pointed at some point in our life.
I just think these "showmen" need to be regulated appropriately as not to make money off the backs of grieving people, it's just not fair.
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Post by seagull69 on Apr 2, 2007 16:33:35 GMT
But there isn't ant truth in their abilities as far as I am concerned. I honestly doubt that they are in contact with the otherside but I am open to be persuaded. How can you regulate mediums. I am not sure that you can
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Post by hellyp on Apr 2, 2007 18:03:33 GMT
Counsellors do not mess with people's heads. If they do, they're in the wrong job. Counselling (I'm talking specifically about person-centred counselling here) is all about putting the individuals themselves in control, and a belief that the individual has the capacity to 'heal' themselves. A proper counsellor does not put him/herself in the role of expert. The client is the expert on themselves.
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Post by seagull69 on Apr 2, 2007 19:33:09 GMT
Counsellors do not mess with people's heads. If they do, they're in the wrong job. Counselling (I'm talking specifically about person-centred counselling here) is all about putting the individuals themselves in control, and a belief that the individual has the capacity to 'heal' themselves. A proper counsellor does not put him/herself in the role of expert. The client is the expert on themselves. Person centred counselling is only one form of counselling, I am not saying that all counselling is bad but there are some bad counsellors as there are some bad mediums,
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Post by hellyp on Apr 2, 2007 19:41:04 GMT
I'm not going to go on with the comparison of counsellors to mediums. No offence to any of the mediums here.
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Post by alfie on Apr 2, 2007 21:20:02 GMT
none taken, mediums are not councellors and I dont think many would profess to be either.
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Post by hellyp on Apr 3, 2007 7:37:24 GMT
Thanks for that - I'm glad a medium has said it.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Apr 3, 2007 7:50:36 GMT
But mediums put themselves in huge positions of authority, I could set myself up as a medium today and be advising people on their life by the end of the day, life changing advice, all supposedly from the afterlife.
I find the idea of anyone claiming to give advice and so on from the afterlife as very irresonponsible, and downright evil
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Post by alfie on Apr 3, 2007 10:49:16 GMT
Jon, up to a certain point I would actually agree with you......the only advice a medium should be giving out is advice about mediumship, the good, the bad and the ugly side of it. In my opinion all mediums should be doing is what it says on the tin, and thats delivering messeges from loved ones and trying to prove the existance of the afterlife.
If you have any sort of problem, whether it be bereavment or mental health, stick to doctors and councellors.
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Post by alfie on Apr 3, 2007 12:39:21 GMT
Thanks for that - I'm glad a medium has said it. Your welcome, unfortunatey not all mediums think the way I do.
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Post by zigmaster on Apr 3, 2007 13:26:18 GMT
Hi I'm new here as of yesterday
but finding this site superb, with the topics really good as well.... Trying to pick up on this as I go along, but what's the main sore point here then, is it money.... See I believe if someone is devastated with the loss of a loved one or the liked, if someone they believe to be a medium, wether they can do what they say or not, if they can give a person some peace of mind and help a person through their troubled times then fine...But as soon as that medium says your welcome, £xx amount please then that's where it all begins to go down hill.
But it's about time something from the powers, we call our law providers, should regulate because with the likes of MH being so popular for whatever reasons, the whole subject is begining to get talked about more and more, and once the con artists see the chance then they'll be in.... Maybe some sort of registration system or professional body could be set up to oversee mediums and the like, then if anyone see's a medium that's not registered then it's their own fault. Registration could possibly be something as simple as a pricing tariff, so there is set prices, I mean how is the charge regulated at the moment, is it a charge whatever you want, sort of thing I don't know...
Ziggy
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Post by alfie on Apr 3, 2007 13:45:31 GMT
You could regulate the prices charged Ziggy and yes that might stamp out a few of the money grabbing ones, that dont give a toss about peoples feelings, but the biggest worry to me is that bereaving people that are so desperate to hang on to those loved ones, will pay what ever in the hope of getting a messege, and any one that has just suffered a bereavement should be discouraged from going to see any sort of medium for a least 6 months, but that is only my opinion, other mediums may think differently.
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Post by morgana on Apr 3, 2007 14:48:45 GMT
DO you think the mediums on tv are the only ones in the world? No, there many who do not seek fame whatever anyone else says MY opinion the spirit world exists regardless of a person.s belif.
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Post by thursfield on Apr 3, 2007 16:50:20 GMT
youll prob find that a lot of people on this site believe in the spirit world, a lot dont, a lot arnt sure, and thats just the way it should be, that means that the topic is wide open for discussion. what the main source of disconcern at the moment appears to be is that.. (a) the financial implications that appear to be being incurred by recently deceased peoples loved ones in being 'put in touch'. (b) the ever increasing rise of so called 'respected' mediums shows on the television and the manner in which certain tv companies are blatantly exaggerating their advertising of them for either financial or viewing proffits etc. (c) the scandalous manner in which some 'purported mediums' actualy behave. (d) the manner in which the 'world of the mediums' is being allowed to grow out of control and the manner in whch they are being allowed to behave, irrespective of the so called mediums act that the government does not seem able to either control or be actualy bothered with over the past years. if mediums are on television then they should due to the nature of the 'business' concerned be streniously regulated by an official body that should regulate the manner in which they behave. if its not on tv then they should be just as strenuously regulated by the local authorities in respect of the manner in which they behave, well thats my thoughts for what they are worth anyway.
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