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Post by angelic on Mar 19, 2007 13:35:22 GMT
Can someone explain why it is that when a male medium such as Derek is "taken over, possesed," call it what you will, the Spirit is always MALE. I would be more impressed if the medium was able to channel a female spirit and speak with a womans voice!! There is no logical reason why this should not occur, so why do we never see this happening.... Makes you wonder doesn't it ?  Angelic |
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Post by PILLSBURY on Mar 19, 2007 14:09:58 GMT
Well the cynics/skeptics will tell you its because they are faking it, however I have seen one example of a female allegedly projecting a male voice and that was the girl in the enfield poltergeist
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Post by hkev on Mar 19, 2007 14:21:53 GMT
There is also Direct Voice to consider, where a voice is heard in the room and is not supposed to come directly from the medium. I seem to remember a medium being asked about the voices he produced and explaining that because the spirit is using their "voice box" then of course it WILL sound like them. "There are certain mediums who, without specializing in any particular way, can exhibit a wide range of preternatural manifestations. Of all whom the author has encountered he would give precedence for variety and consistency to Miss Ada Besinnet, of Toledo, in America, and to Evan Powell, formerly of Merthyr Tydvil, in Wales. Both are admirable mediums and kindly, good people who are worthy of the wonderful gifts which have been entrusted to them. In the case of Miss Besinnet the manifestations include the Direct Voice, two or more often sounding at the same time. One masculine control, named Dan, has a remarkable male baritone voice, and anyone who has heard it can certainly never doubt that it is independent of the lady's organism."www.survivalafterdeath.org/articles/doyle/modern.htm |
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Post by hkev on Mar 19, 2007 14:22:19 GMT
Anyone remember Patricia Routledge as a medium in Steptoe and Son ?
"I'm 'Enry the 8th I am I am"
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Post by skywarp on Mar 19, 2007 14:24:39 GMT
anyone who has heard it can certainly never doubt that it is independent of the lady's organism.
How rude!
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Post by lowrider on Mar 19, 2007 16:22:58 GMT
Mainly in DAs case i doubt if any possession was real.
Forget what you see on the telly,if you belive that and watch The Bill coppers don't swear.
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Post by scepticgirl on Mar 19, 2007 16:33:45 GMT
Hey, stop being unfair........
Derek did do a wonderful "Old Mother Demdyke" voice at Pendle Hill ROFLMAO ;D
"Yooooooo dawnnnnnnnt beeeeeelong heeeeeere"
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Mar 20, 2007 8:54:00 GMT
Derek did once get possessed by a woman, Frances Mills, only problem was his research was crap and he though Frances was Francis and thus did his best dirty bloke impression! Whoops.
As for the girl in the Enfield poltergeist case, listen to her normal voice now, sounds just like the old bloke she channeled, just a fraction higher,
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Post by lowrider on Mar 20, 2007 11:25:09 GMT
As for the girl in the Enfield poltergeist case, listen to her normal voice now, sounds just like the old bloke she channeled, just a fraction higher, So we now assume that a spirit possession means they can alter the physical parameters of the body. Range,pitch of a voice etc? Or do they only work within the capabilities of the body they are using. |
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Post by Kim on Mar 20, 2007 14:39:32 GMT
I would say if it were true, that the spirit would use what ever it can - I don't think it would waste excess energy trying to change a persons voice to any great extremes - after all each of us is only capable of certain ranges.
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Post by lowrider on Mar 20, 2007 14:51:10 GMT
I would say if it were true, that the spirit would use what ever it can - I don't think it would waste excess energy trying to change a persons voice to any great extremes - after all each of us is only capable of certain ranges. Which was my point  |
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Post by exile on Mar 21, 2007 19:36:32 GMT
"I don't think it would waste excess energy trying to change a persons voice to any great extremes.. "
Yet it can use energy to force ectoplasm from the mediums body to form bodies, hands and even bloody horses I've just read somewhere else!!
;D
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Post by PILLSBURY on Mar 21, 2007 20:11:19 GMT
Derek did once get possessed by a woman, Frances Mills, only problem was his research was crap and he though Frances was Francis and thus did his best dirty bloke impression! Whoops. As for the girl in the Enfield poltergeist case, listen to her normal voice now, sounds just like the old bloke she channeled, just a fraction higher, Thats why I used the word alleged Jon. |
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Post by Kim on Mar 22, 2007 7:47:02 GMT
" I don't think it would waste excess energy trying to change a persons voice to any great extremes.. "Yet it can use energy to force ectoplasm from the mediums body to form bodies, hands and even bloody horses I've just read somewhere else!! ;D ;D .......and the sky is pink and the grass is blue! |
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Mar 22, 2007 23:18:49 GMT
Is it? Holy s*it RUN RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!
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Post by mook on Mar 23, 2007 15:58:56 GMT
Quick duck that "flying pig" is here again
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Noob
Fascinating.....
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Post by niceguyt on Apr 2, 2007 17:14:46 GMT
regarding Pillbury's post on the 19th about the Enfield poltergeist apparently " manifesting " vocally thru a young girl I've seen the programme and the "possession " several times and at first it does sound impressive with a low, guttural old man's voice emanting from the girl's throat but there were suspicions that she had been secretly training her voice to sound like that and also if you listen carefully to what the "spirit " says it mentions at one point about " me ( the old man) and a gang going around ------- " the word " gang" to me implies a young girl's vocabulary in keeping with her age and not the terminology of an old man.So my feeling is that the so-called possession was simply one more faked part of the whole Enfield Poltergeist hoax.
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