God cannot be disputed....

[Mr Jinx]

This is a quote from a member of a magic forum I frequent:-

The idea that scientist shouldn't believe in God is laughable. Think about it:

If there is an all powerful God, then he/she/it is responsible for the creation of science. In that fact, and that fact alone, a God cannot be disputed, regardless of scientific findings.

Discuss.

[watchman]

God cannot be disputed..??
You’ll forgive me if I disagree.

Im sorry but I’m going to start with the traditional sceptics opening move of :
1-define God ,
2-define Science.

In the absence of your definition allow me to continue with a dictionary definition of Science (not the only one):

“systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation.”

So “systematic”, “knowledge” ,”observation” and “experimentation”
Is your “poster” positing that God created all of the above ,if so my response would be , why ?

Traditionally God comes by his knowledge “intuitively” ,(my memory of Genesis is rusty but I’m fairly sure he spent little or no time in the R&D dept ) he is all knowing so observation and experimentation are redundant to him/her /it.
No , these are the products of the human mind .
Thus no rational human mind would create beings with built in anomalies , vestigial tails or the appendix for instance.
On a more prosaic note ,if God created science why did it not appear until after our species developed writing or was that too a divine gift ?
No God did not create science ,in fact his representatives did quite a lot to control ,eradicate and generally hamper scientific development.

[watchman]

MrJinx ,just had a thought ....your poster ? wouldn't be an American by any chance..?

[Mr Jinx]

Jul 10, 2011 20:33:13 GMT watchman said:

MrJinx ,just had a thought ....your poster ? wouldn't be an American by any chance..?

I'll have to check.

[mrjohnno]

Old school, don't see this line of argument often these days in much the same way as as you don't see people positing the in-errancy of the Bible by asserting that the world is flat.

[morganp]

Have a Karma Watchman. Couldn't have put it better myself

morganp

[watchman]

Thanks Morganp ,but its not deserved ,as mrjohnno says this is an old line ,and all i did was pull out the old responses. but thanks anyway.

[mrjohnno]

Jul 13, 2011 10:21:37 GMT watchman said:

Thanks Morganp ,but its not deserved ,as mrjohnno says this is an old line ,and all i did was pull out the old responses. but thanks anyway.

If there are others around who are new to the frey then I try to leave it to them to formulate a response. Many people will know that the argument is seriously flawed but not know exactly why so it gives them the opportunity of doing a bit of research which invariably leads to a better understanding of the argument than they would get from reading a short KO rebuttal.