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Post by Mr Jinx on Sept 7, 2014 17:20:57 GMT
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Sept 7, 2014 18:42:32 GMT
I was reading this earlier, seems about the best we have so far.
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Post by Mr Jinx on Sept 7, 2014 21:25:39 GMT
There are issues surrounding this theory. Mainly the provenance of the shawl. It was an expensive piece of material and it's very unlikely that Kosminski or Eddowes could have afforded it. The shawl itself isn't listed on the official list of clothing or items found at the scene.
The ' vacuuming' DNA test used is said to be the least reliable way of collecting DNA evidence. Next the article says 'it would be possible to use mitochondrial DNA'. However, here's what the FBI website says on the subject - "Since mtDNA is maternally inherited and multiple individuals can have the same mtDNA type, unique identifications are not possible using mtDNA analyses". So the DM's claim that they got a 100% match is questionable. You also have to take into consideration 126 years of cross contamination.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Sept 8, 2014 12:13:01 GMT
But didn't it match that one bloke though, so surely he is the likely killer, even if the DNA isn't perfect etc
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Post by Mr Jinx on Sept 8, 2014 12:38:25 GMT
But didn't it match that one bloke though, so surely he is the likely killer, even if the DNA isn't perfect etc Well since more than one person can have the same DNA pattern (using that particular test) there's no guarantee. It could be he was just a client of Eddowes or at a push it links him to one murder and only one murder. When, several years ago, they tried to give it a full DNA test they couldn't even retrieve enough of a sample to test. There needs to be a lot more tests done. I personally would like to see further DNA tests with samples from other suspects and victims to see how they compare. Remember, Trevor Marriott had a theory and set out to make the evidence fit his suspect. I'm pretty sure this is going to go the same way as the Ripper Diary, the Maybrick Watch and the Abberline Diary's. Watch this space over the next few weeks and months. |
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Post by Mr Jinx on Sept 9, 2014 19:31:21 GMT
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Post by cuthulu on Sept 10, 2014 21:21:32 GMT
But didn't it match that one bloke though, so surely he is the likely killer, even if the DNA isn't perfect etc Nope, all that it proves is that that shawl possibly had his DNA. However, no chain of evidence, no document to show that the shawl was ever party to any evidence. If there was a shawl, it doesn't mean it was 'this' shawl. No Provenance. After all the time that's lapsed, is this the one missing piece of evidence that completely proves beyond any doubt? No. Is this something concocted to prove someones pet theory? We can never be certain that the shawl has not been tampered with in some way. What's most likely? Hoax. The passage of time, lack of documentary evidence (most witness statements and evidence collected has been lost or destroyed) means that this 'DNA Shawl' is about as worthless as that famous diary a few years back that also 'solved' the greatest mystery crime of all time. Hoax, Hoax, Hoax I'm Lord Lucan and I am Jack the Ripper! |
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Post by cuthulu on Sept 10, 2014 21:35:49 GMT
And why is only 'his' DNA found? Why not also the victims DNA if it was their shawl? No victim DNA, then no link. If it was his DNA on the shawl then he may have cut himself and used the shawl to stem the blood, does that make someone the killer?
I cut my finger peeling potatoes the other day. If I have the dishcloth I used to stem the flow analysed for DNA then that will prove conclusively that it is my DNA.
Using the logic that has been presented by this so called proof... (My cat has four legs, my dog has four legs so my cat is definitely a dog!)
Therefore, I am Lord Lucan and Jack the Ripper.
proven beyond doubt as the dishcloth definitely has my DNA all over it!
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Post by Mr Jinx on Sept 11, 2014 18:38:57 GMT
And why is only 'his' DNA found? Why not also the victims DNA if it was their shawl? No victim DNA, then no link. DNA matching that of the victim (Eddowes) was found on the shawl. The problem is the actual DNA test. Matching mtDNA isn't unique and can be found in many people. Add to that the lack of provenance and there is no story. |
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Sept 12, 2014 12:52:41 GMT
So the general consensus from people who follow this stuff is that its a load of b0llocks
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Post by Mr Jinx on Sept 13, 2014 12:57:27 GMT
So the general consensus from people who follow this stuff is that its a load of b0llocks Yes, at least until more research is carried out which proves differently. |
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Post by cuthulu on Oct 19, 2014 10:07:50 GMT
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