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Post by debbie on May 21, 2016 17:56:46 GMT
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on May 23, 2016 8:02:33 GMT
I think it is very very bad, and encouraging belief in idiocy
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Post by debbie on May 23, 2016 11:26:56 GMT
NY Presbyterian is one of the top hospitals in the US.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on May 24, 2016 8:57:33 GMT
Very sad, but religious belief and superstition in the US is very very strong
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Post by debbie on May 28, 2016 22:16:59 GMT
I do think there must be something to it if it's being used in mainstream medicine. I can't speak to your comment about Americans (being religious and superstitious) but these are medical professionals! I had never heard of reiki before coming to this site. I'm sure it's not a cancer cure but must be helpful in some capacity.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on May 31, 2016 7:45:23 GMT
I do think there must be something to it if it's being used in mainstream medicine. I can't speak to your comment about Americans (being religious and superstitious) but these are medical professionals! I had never heard of reiki before coming to this site. I'm sure it's not a cancer cure but must be helpful in some capacity. We have had Homeopathy funded by the Government in the UK! Just because it is mainstream does not mean it is credible! As for Reiki, did you know i am a fully qualified Level 10 Grand Master Reiki healer! Yep it is true! Of course such a qualification is utterly worthless, and complete b***cks. But I am as credible as any reiki healer in the world, and by that I mean ALL Reiki healers are NOT credible! Reiki is literally waving your hands over someone (not touching them), and thats it!
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Post by Ma'amJo on May 31, 2016 15:38:38 GMT
I agree, there is absolutely nothing at all in Reiki and as Jon says, you literally just lie someone down and wave your hands around. How on earth will that help? At most people might feel relaxed purely because they're lying down but that's as far as it goes.
There are cultures in other countries performing horrendous practices that are downright evil in the name of medicine, but that doesn't make them right either! Reiki may not be harmful but it certainly has no health benefits whatsoever.
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Post by debbie on Jun 1, 2016 12:08:39 GMT
I guess I'd have to disagree with you on this. This is one of the top hospitals in US, not some weird practice in some third world country. In this case as much as I respect and admire Mr. Jon Donnis, I'd have to side with the Doctors who have spent many years in medical school as well as practicing medicine.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Jun 1, 2016 16:28:49 GMT
I guess I'd have to disagree with you on this. This is one of the top hospitals in US, not some weird practice in some third world country. In this case as much as I respect and admire Mr. Jon Donnis, I'd have to side with the Doctors who have spent many years in medical school as well as practicing medicine. Yep, top hospitals in the UK have also funded everything from Homeopathy to Acupuncture. We are talking big name respectable hospitals. GPs have referred people for such nonsense practises, hell even Prince Charles has advocated Homeopathy, and treats his own animals with it! The point is just because a respected top hospital uses something, doesn't make it real, it usually means that it is a way for them to make money, and that patients have asked for it. Remember Hospitals in the US are not like UK hospitals, they are run as businesses, they are mainly private. So they have to make money. So that is why they entertain these spiritual healers and so on. Many hospitals have prayer rooms and chapels you know. Keep in mind the real Doctors probably wont believe in the nonsense treatments, but put up with them because of the money making aspect, plus if it helps calm or please a patient then that makes their jobs easier. I dont see hundreds of top US Doctors advocating these alt med and spiritual treatments. So I have to side with common sense and rational thinking on this one.
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Post by Ma'amJo on Jun 2, 2016 8:09:25 GMT
My point was not that I was comparing the US to third world countries, but more that you find, all over the world, people practising 'medicine' using methods that rely purely on belief systems rather than any medical evidence. The doctors in the US won't have spent many years in medical school learning about Reiki or Homeopathy, they will have been learning about scientific methods. Reiki is not a medical treatment, and so this isn't what the real doctors are trained to do, and as Jon says, they will be allowing this silly stuff because it's making money and as long as patients are still being treated with proper medicine, by proper doctors, then there isn't really anything to object to. It's when people shun proper treatments in favour of this stuff that the problems start arising, as people usually end up seriously ill or worse. If I ever become seriously ill then I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want someone simply waving their hands over me in an effort to cure me!
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Jun 2, 2016 8:19:14 GMT
There is theraputic value to some spiritual beliefs and "treatments" but only on a psychological/placebo level. And that is fine, the problem is that people convince themselves that it was these that cured or helped them and not the real medicine they were taking
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Post by debbie on Jun 2, 2016 11:24:36 GMT
I never implied that MD's have spent years in medical school studying reiki, nor do I think it's a 'cure all' for disease. I just thought it was a thought provoking article showing that reiki must have some benefit. Even if it aids in healing or helps a patient respond better to conventional treatment it can't be considered 'silly stuff.'
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Jun 4, 2016 8:20:56 GMT
I never implied that MD's have spent years in medical school studying reiki, nor do I think it's a 'cure all' for disease. I just thought it was a thought provoking article showing that reiki must have some benefit. Even if it aids in healing or helps a patient respond better to conventional treatment it can't be considered 'silly stuff.' I am not saying it doesn't help on a placebo level, as it does, but like I did say, the problem starts when people convince themselves it was the reiki that cured them and not the real medicine. Reiki in itself is a useless treatment with no tangible effects. The only way it can have any effect is placebo. And sadly some people do not understand this and that is when people die.
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