Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Aug 27, 2016 9:13:04 GMT
I dont need to see that site to answer you. John Edwards has been caught hot reading before, so if he can we know he will cheat. Most of the time however he uses "shotgunning", this is a type of cold reading whereby he throws out so much information so quickly, that the victim has no choice but to answer yes to things, and instantly the wrong stuff is ignored or forgotten.
A bad ass who will beat you like he's using the fists of god.
I've just read some of those 'hits' on the link that you provided and I can't believe the number of questions John asks! If these are his greatest hits then I have no idea how he's as famous as he is. I used to watch him on TV and like Jon says here, he does speak really quickly and probably just overwhelms people into agreeing with things as they've completely lost track of what he's said!
That first 'hit' in particular made me laugh...
John Edward: And everybody was like, “Oh, my god; oh, my god, it’s, you know, Dean Martin,” or whoever this is. Who was it?
Sitters [Together]: Michael Bolton.
So he blatantly asked who it was, and it wasn't Dean Martin? Yet this was a hit? Some people are very easily impressed!
In fact reading the hits and the misses, it was very hard to see any difference.
What do you think about it yourself?
"No passion in the world is equal to the passion to alter someone else's draft." H G Wells
In John Edwards defense, I thought that was actually not a bad hit. He wasn't actually saying it WAS Dean Martin but just that he was referring to someone famous maybe LIKE Dean Martin. Now why 'spirit' didn't tell who I can't answer lol. I actually had a different experience during my (one) phone reading, I remembered the misses actually just as much as the hits. As much as I'd love to believe, I'm also not stupid and have wonder if what mediums do were real, why so many misses. I know I know, because they're not! Lol
I've just read some of those 'hits' on the link that you provided and I can't believe the number of questions John asks! If these are his greatest hits then I have no idea how he's as famous as he is. I used to watch him on TV and like Jon says here, he does speak really quickly and probably just overwhelms people into agreeing with things as they've completely lost track of what he's said!
That first 'hit' in particular made me laugh...
John Edward: And everybody was like, “Oh, my god; oh, my god, it’s, you know, Dean Martin,” or whoever this is. Who was it?
Sitters [Together]: Michael Bolton.
So he blatantly asked who it was, and it wasn't Dean Martin? Yet this was a hit? Some people are very easily impressed!
In fact reading the hits and the misses, it was very hard to see any difference.
What do you think about it yourself?
Hello "missjo" and everybody ! I don't know what I should think... I mean : I don't believe in the existence of Extrasensory Perception or in an Afterlife (of course !!!) In the Example You mention : Yes, he guessed the wrong Celebrity...but the basic Idea of a Celebrity at a Birthday Party..!?! And this "Hit" was achieved with Sitters he already had in front of him, it was not something that he said in front of the whole Audience.
I just really would like to know, how often he used Hot Reading. Or : because he did this Kind of Scam so many Times : is it possible that he (or other "Mediums") gets really good at Guessing (maybe unconciously) ?
I mean : getting really significant Hits in Readings is in the End a Question of Probability. So how likely is it that in Your Life somebody broke in Your Flat on the 2nd Floor (for Ex.)?
I just wished there was more exposed Hot Reading by famous "Mediums" !!
A balanced approach would be to investigate the broader picture. Celebrity psychics are entertainers and if you enjoy their entertainment then go right ahead and watch their performances but psychics may be unable to demonstrate what you're seeking. That being the case, why not look elsewhere?
I mean : I don't believe in the existence of Extrasensory Perception or in an Afterlife (of course !!!) In the Example You mention : Yes, he guessed the wrong Celebrity...but the basic Idea of a Celebrity at a Birthday Party..!?! And this "Hit" was achieved with Sitters he already had in front of him, it was not something that he said in front of the whole Audience.
But he was still wrong and asked a question. A real medium would not be wrong and would not need to ask questions. Whenever you start making excuses for mediums and find ways to give them hits out of misses then you are falling into their trap.
I just really would like to know, how often he used Hot Reading. Or : because he did this Kind of Scam so many Times : is it possible that he (or other "Mediums") gets really good at Guessing (maybe unconciously) ?
Regarding John Edward or any other semi famous medium, their is no "subconscious" techniques, what they do is calculated, 100%, no doubt. And think of it this way, if you perform the same scam thousands of times, then every so often saying the same thing will get you a hit.
For example, failed British medium Tony Stockwell would have "characters" that he would throw out at shows, these dead people always had roughly the same story, and would sound quite specific, but in fact they would often hit because the type of death was quite common. I remember talking to a tour manager who was backstage with Colin Fry at a show that Tony Stockwell was also performing, Stockwell was having an awful night, he came backstage and didn't know the tour manager was there, and said to Colin Fry "Cant believe the motorbike character didn't hit tonight" That is one of his go to characters, a younger man who has died in a motorbike crash, he loved his bikes, blah blah blah.
But yeah ANY medium will hot read if the chance presents itself and they think they can get away with it.
I mean : getting really significant Hits in Readings is in the End a Question of Probability. So how likely is it that in Your Life somebody broke in Your Flat on the 2nd Floor (for Ex.)?
Statistics and probability does come into it, but so does context and method. You show me a reading I will show you how they do it, sometimes the sitter gives away more than they ever realise.
I just wished there was more exposed Hot Reading by famous "Mediums" !!
That is why mediums tend to stick to cold reading as it is harder to expose as a matter of fact and they can always blame the misses on the spirit world. And gullible fools will believe them.
A bad ass who will beat you like he's using the fists of god.
In John Edwards defense, I thought that was actually not a bad hit. He wasn't actually saying it WAS Dean Martin but just that he was referring to someone famous maybe LIKE Dean Martin. Now why 'spirit' didn't tell who I can't answer lol.
Because spirit does not exist. It was a miss, he failed, and he asked a question, there is no way that can be twisted into a hit.
I actually had a different experience during my (one) phone reading, I remembered the misses actually just as much as the hits. As much as I'd love to believe, I'm also not stupid and have wonder if what mediums do were real, why so many misses. I know I know, because they're not! Lol
Correct. 100% of mediums do not communicate with the dead. no exceptions,
A bad ass who will beat you like he's using the fists of god.
A balanced approach would be to investigate the broader picture. Celebrity psychics are entertainers and if you enjoy their entertainment then go right ahead and watch their performances but psychics may be unable to demonstrate what you're seeking. That being the case, why not look elsewhere?
More ways to skin a cat than one....
Look where though?
100% of mediums/psychics fail 100% of the time when the chance to cheat is removed in CREDIBLE tests, every single medium has a history of fraud at some point. They ALL fail And only a fool would believe after medium had been exposed
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Post by girlseeksghosts on Aug 30, 2016 11:58:20 GMT
Hi isitreal, welcome to
That man just asks question after question after question, and uses my favourite tactic of saying for instance, 'he's not tall is he?' - the person responds 'no' and he goes no I didn't think so, but if the person says 'yes' he goes I thought so and as said, he speaks so fast and will say several things at once, so he has more chance of getting a hit even tho he may have said several other things all incorrect.
"If you don't control your mind, somebody else will"
Look where? Look elsewhere other than where you have been looking..... If you look at entertainers you'll find they are likely to specialise in entertainment.
Other than taxes and death, few things in life are 100% certain. 100% of possible psychics/mediums have never been tested let alone 100% of the time or under multiple or even single conditions. Such a "100%...." etc. claim is unsupportable.
It's true that only a fool would believe in a practitioner whose endeavours had been shown fraudulent but that's not what I'd been suggesting.
I've just read some of those 'hits' on the link that you provided and I can't believe the number of questions John asks! If these are his greatest hits then I have no idea how he's as famous as he is. I used to watch him on TV and like Jon says here, he does speak really quickly and probably just overwhelms people into agreeing with things as they've completely lost track of what he's said!
That first 'hit' in particular made me laugh...
John Edward: And everybody was like, “Oh, my god; oh, my god, it’s, you know, Dean Martin,” or whoever this is. Who was it?
Sitters [Together]: Michael Bolton.
So he blatantly asked who it was, and it wasn't Dean Martin? Yet this was a hit? Some people are very easily impressed!
In fact reading the hits and the misses, it was very hard to see any difference.
What do you think about it yourself?
Hello "missjo" and everybody ! I don't know what I should think... I mean : I don't believe in the existence of Extrasensory Perception or in an Afterlife (of course !!!) In the Example You mention : Yes, he guessed the wrong Celebrity...but the basic Idea of a Celebrity at a Birthday Party..!?! And this "Hit" was achieved with Sitters he already had in front of him, it was not something that he said in front of the whole Audience.
I just really would like to know, how often he used Hot Reading. Or : because he did this Kind of Scam so many Times : is it possible that he (or other "Mediums") gets really good at Guessing (maybe unconciously) ?
I mean : getting really significant Hits in Readings is in the End a Question of Probability. So how likely is it that in Your Life somebody broke in Your Flat on the 2nd Floor (for Ex.)?
I just wished there was more exposed Hot Reading by famous "Mediums" !!
I read through the list and have to admit I must be easily impressed or just don't get how the 'trick' is done. There were misses but hits as well like one where he described something in someone's house and where it was. He also guessed (?) that someone was buried with cigarettes and also the wrong brand!
Look where? Look elsewhere other than where you have been looking..... If you look at entertainers you'll find they are likely to specialise in entertainment.
Other than taxes and death, few things in life are 100% certain. 100% of possible psychics/mediums have never been tested let alone 100% of the time or under multiple or even single conditions. Such a "100%...." etc. claim is unsupportable.
It's true that only a fool would believe in a practitioner whose endeavours had been shown fraudulent but that's not what I'd been suggesting.
I showed how Gordon Smith performs his readings, yet certain "friends" of yours, still think the son shines out of his arse. Same with Tony Stockwell
A bad ass who will beat you like he's using the fists of god.
"Regarding John Edward or any other semi famous medium, their is no "subconscious" techniques, what they do is calculated, 100%, no doubt. "
But what Michael Shermer said also sounds quite interesting and plausible :
Human behavior is enormously complex, so I suppose it is possible that Van
Praagh is both deceiving and self-deceiving, but over the years I have observed
much more of the former than the latter. During the Unsolved Mysteries shoot, which lasted ten hours and was filled with numerous breaks, Van Praagh would
routinely make small talk with us, asking lots of questions and obtaining
information, which he subsequently used to his advantage when the cameras
were rolling.
Is it possible he does not consciously realize that he is doing this? I contacted
numerous mentalists about Van Praagh and they assured me that it is very
unlikely he is self-deceiving because these are techniques that they all use, and
they do so consciously and purposefully. I was told that I was being naive in
trying to give Van Praagh the benefit of the doubt. I spoke to an individual who
works a 900-psychic hotline, who knows Van Praagh and many of the people
who work with him in that industry, and he assures me that Van Praagh is not
self-deceived. The psychic industry consensus, this source tells me, is that
James Van Praagh knows exactly what he is doing.
That may be so, but as a general principle self-deception is a powerful tool
because if you believe the lie yourself your body is less likely to give off telltale
clues, making it more difficult for an observer to detect deception. I am fully
convinced that cult leaders, after being told for years by hundreds and thousands
of followers that they are special, at some point begin to believe it themselves,
making them all the more convincing to other and potential followers.
"Regarding John Edward or any other semi famous medium, their is no "subconscious" techniques, what they do is calculated, 100%, no doubt. "
But what Michael Shermer said also sounds quite interesting and plausible : Human behavior is enormously complex, so I suppose it is possible that Van Praagh is both deceiving and self-deceiving, but over the years I have observed much more of the former than the latter. During the Unsolved Mysteries shoot, which lasted ten hours and was filled with numerous breaks, Van Praagh would routinely make small talk with us, asking lots of questions and obtaining information, which he subsequently used to his advantage when the cameras were rolling. Is it possible he does not consciously realize that he is doing this? I contacted numerous mentalists about Van Praagh and they assured me that it is very unlikely he is self-deceiving because these are techniques that they all use, and they do so consciously and purposefully. I was told that I was being naive in trying to give Van Praagh the benefit of the doubt. I spoke to an individual who works a 900-psychic hotline, who knows Van Praagh and many of the people who work with him in that industry, and he assures me that Van Praagh is not self-deceived. The psychic industry consensus, this source tells me, is that James Van Praagh knows exactly what he is doing. That may be so, but as a general principle self-deception is a powerful tool because if you believe the lie yourself your body is less likely to give off telltale clues, making it more difficult for an observer to detect deception. I am fully convinced that cult leaders, after being told for years by hundreds and thousands of followers that they are special, at some point begin to believe it themselves, making them all the more convincing to other and potential followers.
I have spoke about this before, when I completed a mediumship course, I found out first hand how easy it can be to feel the power of being a medium, having someone look in your eyes with 100% belief and trust, tears coming from their eyes because of what you have said. I do believe that you can self deceive, but all mediums eventually have the "justification moment" That is the moment when they truly realise what they do is not real, so they come to a fork in the road, one way is to stop being a medium, admit it is not real and move on with their life, the other road is the road of fraud, and the justification of it, they can justify the crime under the false pretence they are helping people.
And then there are just out and out frauds like Gordon Smith who make a lot of money doing a very calculated con.
A bad ass who will beat you like he's using the fists of god.
Aaah, You went to a kind of "Mediumistic" Academy" (to investigate) ? Interesting ! Here in Switzerland there are at least two of those. You can learn the "Profession" of a Medium in 12 Weekend "Seminars" for almost 7000 Dollars !
I think that most of the People who apply such an "Academy" are, at least in the Beginning, honest Believers in the Idea of "it" existing and of the Possibilty to be able to learn "it" !
Gordon Smith is the worst of all those I've seen. I'm 100% convinced he had plants in the audience - and not the botanical kind!
Could You direct me to a Source where this was exposed...I would enjoy to read this ! Bc. I thought G. Smith was the nice Barber/Psychic who doesn't even CHARGE for his Readings...!
It wasn't exposed, it was in a theatre setting where I went to see him years ago and we'd seen his 'people' talking to people from the audience beforehand, and in breaks. Those people mysteriously received readings. I and my friends complained afterwards, but got nowhere with it.
"No passion in the world is equal to the passion to alter someone else's draft." H G Wells