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Post by whitewolf on Nov 15, 2006 10:17:55 GMT
i think having a resident scientist will be a boon.. Someone that can add a qualified weight to some of the points we raise here. Not just hearsay or opinions. Welcome aboard "Prof".
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Nov 15, 2006 10:42:50 GMT
Hang on Whitewolf, firstly we have not verified that anyone is a scientist.
Why are you so fast to accept the claim of someone you dont know?
It is as bad as someone believing in a psychic or medium, just because they make that claim.
You need to be more critical.
As for adding qualified weight, well that remains to be seen, especially as we have no idea what level of expertise and in what subject Maggie holds.
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Post by whitewolf on Nov 15, 2006 13:08:32 GMT
so we have to be sceptic of scientists then. I feel she will easily be able to back up her qualifications, why would she claim to be a scientist and not be, as evidence would be needed. Just like everything here. But as for adding weight, surely once her credentials been established, her points may be valid. As for accepting something from a person i dont know, look at it this way, if LR is supportive of her, doesnt that lend any weight.? Also, i actually like to see good in people, not shoot them down before they have a chance to establish themselves.
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Post by whitewolf on Nov 15, 2006 16:15:09 GMT
Whilst on the subject of Science (this could also be on the 'Why I am a sceptic' thread). I am not a Physicist but I am a relatively (I like to think!) intelligent person with a basic knowledge of science. I know that the amount of 'invisible' energy it would take to bend a piece of metal is astronomical and if being focused through a human (a la Mr Geller) it would fry that persons brains! Before you ask Lowrider no, I dont have the appropriate formulae to prove this but it's not rocket science. Why would it take an astronomical amount? what energy are we reffering to? as i am sure the energy itself would have to be identified first, then once we know what we are dealing with, then measure it. |
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Nov 15, 2006 17:31:30 GMT
We should be sceptical of ANYONE who makes a claim that puts them either in a place of authority, or of one of knowledge.
When we have confirmed that knowledge, then we can rightly give them the respect and authority they deserve
Why do people claim to speak to the dead, or bend metal with their mind?
Some people lie, it is as simple as that.
I agree 100%
But you jumpd on a bandwagon, without an ounce of proof. Do you see how gullible that makes you look.
But LR has never actually met her, and has no idea himself of her qualifications.
But he does say she is a good person, and i am happy to accept that.
I am just curious as to her actual qualifications.
As when i know i will be able to submit the correct questions to her.
Where have i shot anyone down?
I asked a very simple question which wasnt answered.
Much like how my question to mediums before wouldnt be answered.
I have no allegiances to someone justbecaus ethey claim to be a scientist. I judge all people independently
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Post by whitewolf on Nov 15, 2006 17:37:38 GMT
gullible? bandwagon? nope, just recognising that some, with qualifications, can add some valuable insight in to things. I do not judge people at first hand, why should i? I am not sceptical of life, some things are what they are. A degree is easliy proven one way or another. Totally different situation to mediumship. Some people in general are what they claim to be. Do you ask to see a driving instructers credentials? dentist? (usually on the wall) Life is full of so many careers, vocations, titles. You have to draw the line somewhere, christ, i am going to london tomorrow, do i ask to see the train drivers licence first?
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Post by mesmo on Nov 15, 2006 21:01:38 GMT
Whilst on the subject of Science (this could also be on the 'Why I am a sceptic' thread). I am not a Physicist but I am a relatively (I like to think!) intelligent person with a basic knowledge of science. I know that the amount of 'invisible' energy it would take to bend a piece of metal is astronomical and if being focused through a human (a la Mr Geller) it would fry that persons brains! Before you ask Lowrider no, I dont have the appropriate formulae to prove this but it's not rocket science. Why would it take an astronomical amount? what energy are we reffering to? as i am sure the energy itself would have to be identified first, then once we know what we are dealing with, then measure it. I dont know what kind of energy it would take but it would need to be able to alter the molecular stucture of metal without making it hot - I do not know of such an energy - lets not beat around the bush - Spoon bending is totally phoney (IMO) - it just defies the laws of physics - call me unadventurous but I prefer to look to them for answers to physical manifestations etc. |
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Nov 15, 2006 22:05:10 GMT
Yes totally, that is how you come across
I agree with that totally, but someone made a claim to be a scientist, but then seemed very vague about what gives them that claim.
What kind of scientist is hardly a difficult question to answer is it
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Nov 15, 2006 22:08:59 GMT
I do not understand such things very well.
But from my limited understanding, an MA is a masters of arts.
And since you do not mention MSc, then would i be right to assume that your "scientist" status is that of a social scientist and not one of a labcoat wearing type?
Can i also assume that you do not have a Phd or doctorate in either physics, chemistry or biology?
I amjust trying to find out what kind of scientist you are, and if so whether it would have any bearing on anything you say within the fields we talk about?
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Post by whitewolf on Nov 15, 2006 22:14:40 GMT
moving from the qualification issue for a moment. Firstly, i am not gullible. If you form that opinion on one statement, then i think its rather previous. Also, people make many statements here, without any scientific expertise or knowledge. At times, the statements are viewed as gospel. So is it a case of selective acceptance of opinion? We all know information has a credence when the source is a qualified one.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Nov 15, 2006 23:17:27 GMT
I think you are gullible, it is just how you come across.
maybe you are not so in the real world.
For example, if someone came up to you and said "I speak to the dead"
And then proceedd to cold read you. Would you not believe them?
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Post by maggied on Nov 19, 2006 17:56:21 GMT
well well well, what have I started here.. I have a joint MSC honours degree from Cambridge, did my PhD at Durham, my post doctoral research at Cambridge and now am a PDR fellow, FRS and sit on a couple of research councils as well as various other qulifications that do not seem relevant here.
Tell me, my friend Zeus, I will ask you like a student 'Please irrefutably and incontrovertibly prove the above statement with the little knowledge that you have' as you state that you cannot be satisfied to accept claims without proof. How does my words above prove who and what I am?
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Nov 19, 2006 19:29:31 GMT
But STILL you havent actually answered my question.
What did you actually do your Phd in?
WHAT ARE YOU? lol
And what relevence is it to what we talk about on here!!!
Are all doctors as confusing as you?
You would think a simple question could be answered in a simple way by someone who has seemingly spent years and years at uni
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Post by lowrider on Nov 20, 2006 10:04:48 GMT
But i don't see that it matters.
Do we need every poster here to list any O,A levels before they post.
I would prefer to judge anyone on what they " say" rather then on a pile of paper certificates.
After all a man who you admire,Randi,has no scientific qualifications.
Don't stop him setting himself up as a expert.
If anyone on here wishes to reveal certain details that are personal but not all that i feel should be left at that.
I don't care what anyone claims to be,lets see what they say.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Nov 20, 2006 10:42:37 GMT
The point is LR, despite Maggies slightly dubious claims in her last post, she did claim to be a scientist.
All i asked was what kind of scientist
Yet here we are pages later and still no answer.
Is it really so strange of me to ask what kind of scientist someone is?
You know Maggied, LR, why dont you tell us what kind of scientist she is?
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Post by lowrider on Nov 20, 2006 15:53:26 GMT
Yes i do know her quite well. She is a member of my bike club but this subject has never come up. Myself and her plus other members spent about 3 hours last night at a bike club meet and this site was mentioned as a fun place for debate but that is as close as we got to the matter. The rest of the night was club business. Plus i would never assume to give out info on a third party without asking. That is not honorable. But Jon as has been seen even clever people can be noobies to forums and may not " work" them as well as others. If she wishes to reply she will but i know that Maggied ain't one to avoid a debate. Far bloody from it cos i have had some doozers with her.  |
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Nov 20, 2006 16:20:16 GMT
Well i look forward to seeing her posts on here.
If she can annoy me with that much ease, it will only ever be fun on here.
So officially big welcome to the forum Maggied
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Post by maggied on Nov 25, 2006 11:19:50 GMT
[I know these places because I’m a scientist - you said on July 8th 11.16am
I would be interested to ask you for your background to make this claim!
No more questioning me - I know who and what I am, I do not need to convince you to ensure my own peace of mind.
Will you answer my question?
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Post by looby on Nov 25, 2006 11:27:55 GMT
[ I know these places because I’m a scientist - you said on July 8th 11.16am I would be interested to ask you for your background to make this claim! No more questioning me - I know who and what I am, I do not need to convince you to ensure my own peace of mind. Good for you!! |
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Nov 25, 2006 18:01:36 GMT
Where did i make that claim
Can you please quote the entire post and actually post the url of the location.
You havent answered a single question anyway
As far as i am concerned you are as worse as the fake psychics we have on the site.
As for you being a scientist, well again about as likely as Paul speaking to the dead really.
A REAL scientist would happily answer a simple question, instead you act like you have something to hide.
I might need to think twice before welcoming one of LR's friends on here, especially if they are as stuck up as you
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