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Post by hellyp on Jun 13, 2007 12:28:27 GMT
Or that it's the same Jesus that people are rattling on about. Where's that link to the info. which seemed to show that there never was a Jesus of Nazareth at the time he was meant to have existed?
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Post by thursfield on Jun 13, 2007 17:52:32 GMT
?? thought that they had actualy proved that there was a jesus at the particular time when this was happening?
as far as i was aware with the cross etc i was told somewhere sometime a long time ago was meerely up to the person in charge of the crucifiction or the particular area that it was taking place in, so some were through the hands and feet, some were through the wrists and ankles.??
dont know im probably wrong , i usualy am..but i do know that the movement that they did on the cross caused different lightening strike type pain dependant upon whether they were done through the hands and feet or the wrists and ankles.
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Post by hellyp on Jun 13, 2007 18:19:10 GMT
Someone posted some info about the 'fact' that there was no Jesus of Nazareth born at the time he was said to be born, and something about the story of Joseph taking his family to Bethlehem for the census, and how it would not have been necessary for him to bring his whole family unit to register.
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Post by hkev on Jun 13, 2007 18:27:43 GMT
The whole having to travel to a different town for a census is just unbelieveable !
People trailing their families across the Country just to register their details in a census ?
It is only there to justify the birth being in Bethlehem, to fit in with the prophecies of the "saviours" birth.
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Post by Gaztrix on Jun 13, 2007 22:05:35 GMT
But there is controversy over that too Bob. The part of the shroud they tested was part of a restoration. I believe the Shroud is 2000 years old, BUT i see no evidence of it being Jesus. But then again maybe it is, it still doesnt prove he was the Son of God "He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy" (Mr Monty Python esq) The earliest reports suggest that the Romans used a plank against a tree for their crucifixions, creating a cross type shape. |
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Post by thursfield on Jun 14, 2007 14:49:01 GMT
The whole having to travel to a different town for a census is just unbelieveable ! People trailing their families across the Country just to register their details in a census ? It is only there to justify the birth being in Bethlehem, to fit in with the prophecies of the "saviours" birth.  oh yea of so little faith... |
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Post by theminx on Jun 14, 2007 17:37:46 GMT
just thought i wonder if jesus was a then of its day healer and medium like derek acorah.he may have got famous for being popular in the villages heck he might have known sam  |
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Post by roc on Jun 14, 2007 18:10:44 GMT
The whole having to travel to a different town for a census is just unbelieveable ! People trailing their families across the Country just to register their details in a census ? It is only there to justify the birth being in Bethlehem, to fit in with the prophecies of the "saviours" birth. oh yea of so little faith... People move these days to be in areas where certain school are or drugs are prescribed.. |
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Post by hkev on Jun 14, 2007 18:53:50 GMT
oh yea of so little faith... People move these days to be in areas where certain school are or drugs are prescribed.. OK, time for a little back-tracking from me on this one.  Some people did travel to register their details (although to do it in the winter with your heavily pregnant wife seems rather excessive) and there may have been other reasons for Joseph to travel at that particular time: "But, why would Joseph and Mary journey to Bethlehem in the middle of winter to register for the census? There are several possibilities. Joseph may have recently inherited some land. Since the special taxation was related to inheritances, Joseph journeyed to Bethlehem to claim his estate and settle any taxes due. He would have there registered his property for the census. Or, perhaps Joseph had recently become eighteen years of age, and as an adult was required to then register as an independent household.16 Or, they had recently married, and the registration of the family was required. Or, Joseph and Mary thought that their child might be the promised Messiah and that the Messiah was to be born in Bethlehem (Mic. 5:2). They may have timed their trip to Bethlehem for the census to ensure that Jesus was born there. Also, registration may have been required before the end of the Roman year, that is, December 31, and they were late. However, there is no need to require that Joseph's registration occurred immediately after the census for taxation was decreed. There are other possibilities, but these are mostly speculation. " www3.telus.net/trbrooks/firstcensus.htm |
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Post by Riding With The Angels on Jun 14, 2007 22:22:53 GMT
the shroud of turin is supposed to be a 14th century manufactured relic. you could earn a lot of cash in those days if your church had an authentic relic. Oh yes Bob - got a good book on that called Second Messiah. I know what you are saying. What I mean, pardon me for not being clear, is that if this relic or fraud or whatever it is shows wounds on the wrists - runs to get book - oh no thinks Kim might have it - then this kinda puts the mokkers on the palm theory lol  |
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Jun 28, 2007 9:05:43 GMT
I am sure through trial and error they would get it right
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Post by bujin on Jun 29, 2007 11:42:44 GMT
The image of the crucifixion, one of the most powerful emblems of Christianity, may be quite erroneous, according to a study which says there is no evidence to prove Jesus was crucified in this manner. Evidence? That's never worried Christianity before. Why start now?  |
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Post by thursfield on Jun 30, 2007 18:30:08 GMT
makes me think what type of evidence it would actualy take to persuade people that he actualy existed, died, rose, continued..?,, personaly.i do belive in the existance of A ENTITY that some call god, i do belive in an afterlife..i dont belive in the fact that all of these so called mediums are in a position to speak with the departed, but thats a personal belief, as is a belief in an entity that some call god.
as for the crucifiction, yes its quite possible that someone called jesus was crucified, as opposed to the opinion of some, but they themselves are entitled to their own opinions and as long as contrary opinions are not put over in an insulting manner they are fully entitled to their own opinion and to air it, i have no problems with that as would not any other reasonable person, but myself..yes i believe, yes i believe in the fact that a person called jesus was crucified and died, raised from his rest, and continued to live.
the difference is that i dont go around spouting off what my beliefs are, that they are the truth, that everyone else should believe in them as a truth.
every single person has their own opinion either for or against, the difference is that everyone is different in their beliefs so long as they dont allow their beliefs to take over their lives and also attempt to enter the beliefs of others against their will i dont realy see the problem.
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Post by ghosty on Jul 16, 2007 19:26:17 GMT
"They" say this...."They" say that....! Well informed bunch this "They" lot....! who are "They"...? ....and how did "They" get to be so well informed perhaps "We" ought to be asking....? Curious how the most hardened "sceptic" seems ready to just unquestioningly accept whatever the mysterious "They" say without question tho'...... I was brought up as a Catholic....as a small kiddie we were told it was MOST likely the nails actually would have been driven in between the wrist bones...if they had gone into the palms the body weight would tear through the flesh....Some were also tied to the cross as well...plus the legs broken to make the victim slump down on the cross and their lungs apparently then fill with liquid... Not a nice way to die....  Certainly it does look from History that The Pope should have done more to denounce the Holocaust....although how much of the "full picture" do we know before we make "judgments" and cheerfully award him the Iron Cross....? (most of us NOT having been there at the time ourselves of course.....) Remember....There were one or two Nazi's in THIS country too.... before, during...and AFTER the war ....! - and a Strong Nazi movement in the USA also..... The true sceptic must keep an open balanced view on things...NOT "believe" without question...or "Assume" without positive proof....one way or the other.... But perhaps that's not what "They" say....? |
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Jul 16, 2007 19:49:25 GMT
I have been wondering who this "they" are for years.
"They" are responsible for a lot of bulls*it
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Post by bobdezon on Jul 16, 2007 19:52:28 GMT
Maybe we should launch a www.BadThey.com site Jon? Oh wait I forgot, " THEY" might put the kybosh on that notion. |
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